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    ive been working out for about 1 mth now and seeing great results in my arms, and some in my chest. ive been taking creatine and protine from muscle tech. but i use to weight about 190 pounds and lost a great deal of weight most of which was baby fat...but i still have left over some fat on my chest and a good amount of love handels im finding it hard to lose them...i started a low carb high protine diet about 1 week ago...and just started taking Hydroxycut today..but im not sure if the hydroxycut with cancel out my creatine and protine..if thats the cast what is a good and effective way to lose my extra body fat...but still gain muscle mass.....please help me out!!!!
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    what you are looking to do is impossible my friend. Pick one or the other.
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    mmmm so what can i do...i want to gain muscle but not have fat on top of it i want to get leane muscle????
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    Cut then bulk...
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    so should i still way from the creatine and protine and loss the fat frist?? any ideas
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    dude u can do it,at least it worked for me,4 month ago when i started training i was about 140 pounds of fat(im 5'8)and before evry work out i was runing about 15min,so now im pretty lean 160 pounds of muscle
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    Originally Posted by Giant Hulk
    dude u can do it,at least it worked for me,4 month ago when i started training i was about 140 pounds of fat(im 5'8)and before evry work out i was runing about 15min,so now im pretty lean 160 pounds of muscle
    I doubt it dude. Hes 19 and your 16. Your test levels are probably higher than his are and what you had was probably noob gains.

    To the original poster: Its nearly impossible to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. Go on a brief cutting cycle, maybe a couple weeks. Try and lose some of the bf in that time while supplementing glutamine (an anti-catabolic) which will minimize muscle loss.

    After you have your bodyfat in check, begin a clean bulk to add more muscle. You can take your creatine and protein while your cutting it wont hurt you at all.
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    you could try to take up tcd diet. A Timed carb diet u can lose weight and build muscle at the same time.
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    Originally Posted by Giant Hulk
    dude u can do it,at least it worked for me,4 month ago when i started training i was about 140 pounds of fat(im 5'8)and before evry work out i was runing about 15min,so now im pretty lean 160 pounds of muscle
    as well as, looking at your age, you probably grew some heightwise
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    Originally Posted by AcEReconA
    I doubt it dude. Hes 19 and your 16. Your test levels are probably higher than his are and what you had was probably noob gains.

    To the original poster: Its nearly impossible to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. Go on a brief cutting cycle, maybe a couple weeks. Try and lose some of the bf in that time while supplementing glutamine (an anti-catabolic) which will minimize muscle loss.

    After you have your bodyfat in check, begin a clean bulk to add more muscle. You can take your creatine and protein while your cutting it wont hurt you at all.
    actually at 19 hormones are the highest
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    Hey man I believe it is very possible for you to gain muscle and loose fat since you have only started in the gym, although after a while ur progress will slowen. Just keep ur nutrition right, lift hard, get plenty of rest, add a lil cardio, and most importantly be consistant.
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    well thanks u guys for the extra help..yesterday when i hit up the gym..i ran for about 15 at level 6.5 and then i jumped on the stair master for about 10min at about 9.5 level..im gona try this out for a while i hope i can start to see a diff!!! should i stay away from the HYDROXYCUT...also i heard drinking alot of water helps u lose weigth so i drink about 3liters of water..is this ture
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    OK, to say you canít lose body fat and gain muscle is just ****. It is possible, but itís not easy. Your best bet is to choose and concentrate on one or the other. If youíre really fretting about the love handle etc, then go on some form of a cut.

    To answer your question about supplements, a lot of people do use creatine whilst cutting; this helps them to prevent muscle loss. However, creatine does retain water in the body, where Hydrocut will make you lose water (along with body fat), elevate your heartbeat and possibly blood pressure. As its thermogenic. So you decide.
    As long as you have protein in your system, your body shouldnít need to break down muscle to get it. So keep that up. And itís your choice at the end of the day which supplements you use. But the sure fire way to lose fat, is cardio + calorie deficit.

    If you canít even feel your abs, I would recommend about 35mins at least 3 times a week of cardio. You could do more, or less. If you stay on the lesser side, eat the right amount of food (carbs, protein, fats) You can lose fat and gain muscle, Just the results will be slower.
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    Reduce calorie/fat intake, increase protein intake, and cardio. Continue your lifting routine, and weigh yourself and if you can bf% weekly/monthly to check for results. Best of luck to you.
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    Some article I grabbed. Good read, though extremely long.

    How to build muscle and lose fat at the same time...
    With very few exceptions, losing a lot of fat and gaining a lot of muscle at the same time is very hard to do. That's because of the opposing demands these goals impose on your body.

    To build a lot of new muscle tissue, your body needs energy. In other words, you'll need to overfeed — to consume more calories than you're burning each day. To lose fat, you need to underfeed — to consume fewer calories than you burn.

    If you do try to do both things at once, your progress in either direction will be so frustratingly slow that it won't be long before you feel like throwing in the towel.

    It would be nice if the energy your body needs to build new muscle tissue came from stored fat. But, when your body is in a predominantly catabolic state (which it will need to be if you want to lose fat), gaining muscle is not its main priority.

    Here are two studies that illustrate what I'm talking about.
    In the first trial, researchers from California State University tracked a group of healthy men for eight weeks [3]. The men consumed an average of 4,339 calories daily, and trained with weights four days each week for 60-90 minutes. On average, the men gained six pounds of muscle and one-half pound of fat.

    In study number two researchers instructed a group of men to switch from their normal diet to a low-carbohydrate diet [2]. The men also trained with weights several times each week. Total fat loss at the end of the six-week study was just over seven pounds. The men also gained just over two pounds of muscle.

    Here's a summary of the results:

    Overfeeding
    Calories per pound of bodyweight 25.7 calories
    Muscle mass + 6.4 pounds
    Fat mass + 0.4 pounds

    Underfeeding
    Calories per pound of bodyweight 13.4 calories
    Muscle mass + 2.4 pounds
    Fat mass - 7.3 pounds

    As you can see, both groups lost fat and gained muscle. However, overfeeding led to far greater gains in muscle than underfeeding. And underfeeding led to a greater loss of fat than overfeeding.

    The men who overfed gained an average of 0.8 pounds of muscle per week. The men who underfed gained an average of 0.4 pounds of muscle per week. In other words, the group who overfed gained muscle at twice the rate of the group who underfed.

    So, you can lose fat and gain muscle simultaneously. But you can't do both to a significant degree at the same time.

    One exception to the rule is beginners, or more specifically, overweight beginners.
    A relatively lean beginner who wants, for example, to go from 12% to 9% body fat isn't going to lose fat while they gain muscle, mainly because they don't have much fat to lose in the first place. The leaner and more muscular you get, the harder you'll find it to lose fat and build muscle simultaneously.

    And if you're a beginner trying to gain weight and build muscle by overfeeding, your body is in an anabolic state. You won't be able to lose fat while still consuming more calories than you burn.

    However, overweight beginners on an exercise and nutrition program that's geared towards fat loss can gain a significant amount of muscle mass while losing fat.

    A good example of this comes from research published in Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise [5].

    For the study, researchers from the United States Sports Academy tracked a group of previously sedentary men (i.e. overweight beginners) who performed both endurance and resistance exercise three days per week for 14 weeks.

    On average, the men lost 16.3 pounds of fat and gained 9.5 pounds of muscle. In other words, they gained a significant amount of muscle while also losing a large amount of fat.

    However, even for beginners, this is an unusually large muscle gain given the rapid rate of fat loss.

    When I looked at the results of the study in detail, the numbers for lean mass do show a large standard error (an estimate of the amount of variation to be expected in a particular test).

    So, it's possible that one or more of the men in the study was genetically predisposed to build muscle, while others might have made slower progress.

    Let's say that you take a group of six men and put them on a weight-training program for 12 weeks. Two of the men might make reasonable progress and gain five pounds of muscle. Another two might make very slow progress, and gain only two pounds.

    If we average out this set of results, the average lean mass gain is 3.5 pounds.

    But, if the other two guys have an easy time putting on muscle (let's say they gain 12 pounds of lean mass), they're going to skew the results of the group. They're called "outliers" because their results lie outside the normal range.

    Adding their results to those of the other four men bumps the average muscle gain up to 6.3 pounds, which isn't really an accurate reflection of the results of the group (remember that two-thirds of the men gained 3.5 pounds or less).

    Although individual results for each subject aren't listed in the United States Sports Academy study, I'm guessing that the presence of a few outliers explains why the average muscle gain is so large.

    One other reason that beginners usually respond better to resistance exercise is that they're a long way from the upper limit of what they're capable of in terms of muscle mass.

    The closer you are to this upper limit — known as your ceiling of adaptation — the slower your gains will be.
    Someone who's been working out with weights for 10 years, for example, will gain muscle a lot more slowly than someone who's just starting out.

    Anyone who's been in shape before will also find it easier to build muscle and lose fat simultaneously when returning after a layoff. When a muscle is trained, detrained and retrained, there is a faster change in muscle size during retraining compared to the initial training period from an untrained state [6], a phenomenon that some refer to as "muscle memory."

    From a personal point of view, it seems easier to drop my body fat to a level that I've achieved previously compared to losing it for the first time.

    In many cases, the people in the before-and-after pictures you see in the magazines are fitness models who have spent a few months "slacking off" prior to getting their "before" pictures taken.

    Because they've been in shape before, it's a whole lot easier for them to regain their old figure than it is for someone who's starting from scratch.

    Whether or not you can build a lot of muscle and lose a lot of fat at the same also depends on how you define "at the same time." If you spend 5-6 weeks gaining weight, followed by 3-4 weeks losing fat, then you'll have lost fat and gained muscle at the end of the 8-10 week period (which some people might class as "the same time") but you'll have done it by alternating periods of muscle gain and fat loss.

    So, what does all of this mean for you?
    Rather than trying to build a lot of muscle and lose a lot of fat at the same time, you'll get better results by splitting your training goals into several phases, and working on one after the other. I suggest that you focus on one of two goals — building muscle while minimizing fat gain, or, losing fat while preserving muscle.

    It's far more realistic to expect to lose 10 pounds of fat while gaining a pound or two of muscle, or to gain five pounds of muscle while adding a couple of pounds of fat. Losing 10 pounds of fat at the same time as replacing it with 10 pounds of muscle is the exception and not the rule.

    There are several methods you can use to decide how long to spend on each goal. The first approach is to keep gaining muscle or losing fat until you hit a predetermined body fat percentage.

    Let's say that you start out at 10% body fat and follow one of the step-by-step muscle-building exercise routines described in The Maximum Muscle Plan, a highly effective training system I developed to help you gain muscle and build a powerful-looking chest, wider shoulders and thicker, more impressive arms. In this case, you might decide to bulk up until you reach 12%. Then, you switch gears and enter the fat-loss phase of your program until you're back down to 10%.

    If fat loss is a priority, you can take the opposite approach and start by losing fat until you're down to 7-8% body fat. Then, you change focus and start gaining weight until you're at 10% again.

    This type of eating produces a "saw tooth" pattern of weight gain and weight loss, with the end result (hopefully) that you'll end up with more muscle and less fat after several cycles.

    The only problem with this approach is that most methods available to track body fat levels are notoriously unreliable. I prefer to use more subjective (but, in my opinion, more useful) ways to gauge my progress.

    For instance, I know that it's time to start losing fat when my lower abs become hidden under a layer of fat and I can't see them clearly. Conversely, when I start to feel irritable, tired and de-motivated on a regular basis (which usually happens after an extended period of dieting), and I'm happy with the way I look in the mirror, then I decide to focus on gaining weight and building muscle.
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    Feeling Concerned?

    I'm a 31 yr. old female @ 5' 5' and 150. I started really lifting weights hard about 6 months ago. (5 days a week, along with cardio everyday). Since then I have went from 141 to 150. (not liking that!!!). Before starting the training I had my body fat checked, and just had it checked again today and it only went down 1%. Is this normal in lifting. Gained 9lbs and only down 1% body fat?
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    Originally Posted by Courchesne1222 View Post
    I'm a 31 yr. old female @ 5' 5' and 150. I started really lifting weights hard about 6 months ago. (5 days a week, along with cardio everyday). Since then I have went from 141 to 150. (not liking that!!!). Before starting the training I had my body fat checked, and just had it checked again today and it only went down 1%. Is this normal in lifting. Gained 9lbs and only down 1% body fat?
    This thread is over 6 years old, I'd suggest you start your own thread.
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    Some article I grabbed. Good read, though extremely long.

    How to build muscle and lose fat at the same time...
    With very few exceptions, losing a lot of fat and gaining a lot of muscle at the same time is very hard to do. That's because of the opposing demands these goals impose on your body.

    To build a lot of new muscle tissue, your body needs energy. In other words, you'll need to overfeed — to consume more calories than you're burning each day. To lose fat, you need to underfeed — to consume fewer calories than you burn.

    If you do try to do both things at once, your progress in either direction will be so frustratingly slow that it won't be long before you feel like throwing in the towel.

    It would be nice if the energy your body needs to build new muscle tissue came from stored fat. But, when your body is in a predominantly catabolic state (which it will need to be if you want to lose fat), gaining muscle is not its main priority.

    Here are two studies that illustrate what I'm talking about.
    In the first trial, researchers from California State University tracked a group of healthy men for eight weeks [3]. The men consumed an average of 4,339 calories daily, and trained with weights four days each week for 60-90 minutes. On average, the men gained six pounds of muscle and one-half pound of fat.

    In study number two researchers instructed a group of men to switch from their normal diet to a low-carbohydrate diet [2]. The men also trained with weights several times each week. Total fat loss at the end of the six-week study was just over seven pounds. The men also gained just over two pounds of muscle.

    Here's a summary of the results:

    Overfeeding
    Calories per pound of bodyweight 25.7 calories
    Muscle mass + 6.4 pounds
    Fat mass + 0.4 pounds

    Underfeeding
    Calories per pound of bodyweight 13.4 calories
    Muscle mass + 2.4 pounds
    Fat mass - 7.3 pounds

    As you can see, both groups lost fat and gained muscle. However, overfeeding led to far greater gains in muscle than underfeeding. And underfeeding led to a greater loss of fat than overfeeding.

    The men who overfed gained an average of 0.8 pounds of muscle per week. The men who underfed gained an average of 0.4 pounds of muscle per week. In other words, the group who overfed gained muscle at twice the rate of the group who underfed.

    So, you can lose fat and gain muscle simultaneously. But you can't do both to a significant degree at the same time.

    One exception to the rule is beginners, or more specifically, overweight beginners.
    A relatively lean beginner who wants, for example, to go from 12% to 9% body fat isn't going to lose fat while they gain muscle, mainly because they don't have much fat to lose in the first place. The leaner and more muscular you get, the harder you'll find it to lose fat and build muscle simultaneously.

    And if you're a beginner trying to gain weight and build muscle by overfeeding, your body is in an anabolic state. You won't be able to lose fat while still consuming more calories than you burn.

    However, overweight beginners on an exercise and nutrition program that's geared towards fat loss can gain a significant amount of muscle mass while losing fat.

    A good example of this comes from research published in Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise [5].

    For the study, researchers from the United States Sports Academy tracked a group of previously sedentary men (i.e. overweight beginners) who performed both endurance and resistance exercise three days per week for 14 weeks.

    On average, the men lost 16.3 pounds of fat and gained 9.5 pounds of muscle. In other words, they gained a significant amount of muscle while also losing a large amount of fat.

    However, even for beginners, this is an unusually large muscle gain given the rapid rate of fat loss.

    When I looked at the results of the study in detail, the numbers for lean mass do show a large standard error (an estimate of the amount of variation to be expected in a particular test).

    So, it's possible that one or more of the men in the study was genetically predisposed to build muscle, while others might have made slower progress.

    Let's say that you take a group of six men and put them on a weight-training program for 12 weeks. Two of the men might make reasonable progress and gain five pounds of muscle. Another two might make very slow progress, and gain only two pounds.

    If we average out this set of results, the average lean mass gain is 3.5 pounds.

    But, if the other two guys have an easy time putting on muscle (let's say they gain 12 pounds of lean mass), they're going to skew the results of the group. They're called "outliers" because their results lie outside the normal range.

    Adding their results to those of the other four men bumps the average muscle gain up to 6.3 pounds, which isn't really an accurate reflection of the results of the group (remember that two-thirds of the men gained 3.5 pounds or less).

    Although individual results for each subject aren't listed in the United States Sports Academy study, I'm guessing that the presence of a few outliers explains why the average muscle gain is so large.

    One other reason that beginners usually respond better to resistance exercise is that they're a long way from the upper limit of what they're capable of in terms of muscle mass.

    The closer you are to this upper limit — known as your ceiling of adaptation — the slower your gains will be.
    Someone who's been working out with weights for 10 years, for example, will gain muscle a lot more slowly than someone who's just starting out.

    Anyone who's been in shape before will also find it easier to build muscle and lose fat simultaneously when returning after a layoff. When a muscle is trained, detrained and retrained, there is a faster change in muscle size during retraining compared to the initial training period from an untrained state [6], a phenomenon that some refer to as "muscle memory."

    From a personal point of view, it seems easier to drop my body fat to a level that I've achieved previously compared to losing it for the first time.

    In many cases, the people in the before-and-after pictures you see in the magazines are fitness models who have spent a few months "slacking off" prior to getting their "before" pictures taken.

    Because they've been in shape before, it's a whole lot easier for them to regain their old figure than it is for someone who's starting from scratch.

    Whether or not you can build a lot of muscle and lose a lot of fat at the same also depends on how you define "at the same time." If you spend 5-6 weeks gaining weight, followed by 3-4 weeks losing fat, then you'll have lost fat and gained muscle at the end of the 8-10 week period (which some people might class as "the same time") but you'll have done it by alternating periods of muscle gain and fat loss.

    So, what does all of this mean for you?
    Rather than trying to build a lot of muscle and lose a lot of fat at the same time, you'll get better results by splitting your training goals into several phases, and working on one after the other. I suggest that you focus on one of two goals — building muscle while minimizing fat gain, or, losing fat while preserving muscle.

    It's far more realistic to expect to lose 10 pounds of fat while gaining a pound or two of muscle, or to gain five pounds of muscle while adding a couple of pounds of fat. Losing 10 pounds of fat at the same time as replacing it with 10 pounds of muscle is the exception and not the rule.

    There are several methods you can use to decide how long to spend on each goal. The first approach is to keep gaining muscle or losing fat until you hit a predetermined body fat percentage.

    Let's say that you start out at 10% body fat and follow one of the step-by-step muscle-building exercise routines described in The Maximum Muscle Plan, a highly effective training system I developed to help you gain muscle and build a powerful-looking chest, wider shoulders and thicker, more impressive arms. In this case, you might decide to bulk up until you reach 12%. Then, you switch gears and enter the fat-loss phase of your program until you're back down to 10%.

    If fat loss is a priority, you can take the opposite approach and start by losing fat until you're down to 7-8% body fat. Then, you change focus and start gaining weight until you're at 10% again.

    This type of eating produces a "saw tooth" pattern of weight gain and weight loss, with the end result (hopefully) that you'll end up with more muscle and less fat after several cycles.

    The only problem with this approach is that most methods available to track body fat levels are notoriously unreliable. I prefer to use more subjective (but, in my opinion, more useful) ways to gauge my progress.

    For instance, I know that it's time to start losing fat when my lower abs become hidden under a layer of fat and I can't see them clearly. Conversely, when I start to feel irritable, tired and de-motivated on a regular basis (which usually happens after an extended period of dieting), and I'm happy with the way I look in the mirror, then I decide to focus on gaining weight and building muscle.
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