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    When you have a GF that is the director of a foster care agency, and you hear about some of the tragic stories, then you realize that this isn't such a simple topic.
    It is very complex and there are many many gray areas.
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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    When you have a GF that is the director of a foster care agency, and you hear about some of the tragic stories, then you realize that this isn't such a simple topic.
    It is very complex and there are many many gray areas.
    Just sayin.

    Oh boy..........

    Nope, if you ask the people who grew up in very bad situations that came out as survivors if they should of been killed, I doubt they will say yes.
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    Originally Posted by NorwichGrad View Post
    The UNBORN.

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    I have no skin in the game, but it is disappointing to see that now getting pregnant can be a death sentence.

    Several months ago, my administrative assistant's daughter had a very bad situation where she had to make a decision to abort her pregnancy due to higher percentage than not that she wouldn't be able to carry to term (she had some kind of medical issue that I don't remember). They were devastated that they had to terminate the pregnancy, but it was a decision that, at the time, she had a right to make. If that same situation were to happen now, she'd be forced to carry to term and risk death or figure out a way to go to either Mexico or another State. She is petrified to get pregnant again due to the strict laws in place in Texas.

    This is the problem with extreme positions, but congrats, you really stuck it to the Libs today.
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    There is a misconception that abortion is now illegal which isn't the case. It means that states have the option and many will still allow it. If someone needs one it's a plane ride away.
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    Originally Posted by Tommy W. View Post
    There is a misconception that abortion is now illegal which isn't the case. It means that states have the option and many will still allow it. If someone needs one it's a plane ride away.

    Exactly.


    I don't necessarily agree with abortion, but I am a Man. I think abortion is a decision that should be made by the woman and her health care professional..

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    Originally Posted by Tommy W. View Post
    There is a misconception that abortion is now illegal which isn't the case. It means that states have the option and many will still allow it. If someone needs one it's a plane ride away.
    Agreed, but consolidating the procedure to just a few states will force an enormous backlog; not to mention that many women have financial limitations.
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    It's also a rather blindsiding change. Many states may have old laws on the books that they never bothered to amend since it was formerly protected federally and an unnecessary political risk to mess with. Given the state of the world today, this is hardly what we need right now.
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    Originally Posted by bustasinclair View Post
    Agreed, but consolidating the procedure to just a few states will force an enormous backlog; not to mention that many women have financial limitations.
    Actually quite a few states aren't banning it. In most cases it'll be a matter of using birth control rather than just going to the clinic for an abortion whenever being knocked up if they're too poor to travel.

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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    When you have a GF that is the director of a foster care agency, and you hear about some of the tragic stories, then you realize that this isn't such a simple topic.
    It is very complex and there are many many gray areas.
    Just sayin.
    There are strong arguments on both sides for sure.... There have always been some exceptions for the life of the mother, and I do hope that continues, but I struggle to see any logic that says an unborn child is not a child. Ethical issues, yes, huge struggles for poverty and for autonomy of women, but I do come down on the side of a life is a life. When does it begin? I'm pretty certain - before birth. There may be some leeway - and debate - between conception and birth (often considered at the point of 'viability') but these remain challenging and complex.
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    Originally Posted by mtpockets View Post
    Exactly.


    I don't necessarily agree with abortion, but I am a Man. I think abortion is a decision that should be made by the woman and her health care professional..

    Hope women from all across america revolt. If they wanted to women could shut the country down. Never underestimate the power of women.
    We agree again!
    Doctors and patients need to make personal medical decisions behind the door, not based on a particular state's law.
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    It's also a rather blindsiding change. Many states may have old laws on the books that they never bothered to amend since it was formerly protected federally and an unnecessary political risk to mess with. Given the state of the world today, this is hardly what we need right now.
    I agree completely!

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    Actually quite a few states aren't banning it. In most cases it'll be a matter of using birth control rather than just going to the clinic for an abortion whenever being knocked up if they're too poor to travel.

    I'm pro choice BTW
    I'm not advocating for those who seek abortion for just getting knocked up. There were 26 states (I think) that automatically outlawed it. Hopefully public outcry will prevail.

    I'm pro leave it alone. I'm pretty much right down the middle on most political issues, but this should have never been made political; it's a medical issue.
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    It's also a rather blindsiding change. Many states may have old laws on the books that they never bothered to amend since it was formerly protected federally and an unnecessary political risk to mess with. Given the state of the world today, this is hardly what we need right now.
    True. Why right now? With all of the decisions on the SCOTUS' books, why would such a divisive decision be made at this time, when the country is already at each other's throats?
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    There are strong arguments on both sides for sure.... There have always been some exceptions for the life of the mother, and I do hope that continues, but I struggle to see any logic that says an unborn child is not a child. Ethical issues, yes, huge struggles for poverty and for autonomy of women, but I do come down on the side of a life is a life. When does it begin? I'm pretty certain - before birth. There may be some leeway - and debate - between conception and birth (often considered at the point of 'viability') but these remain challenging and complex.
    "unborn child is not a child."
    I am not arguing this at all, of course it is a child, but...... this country as it stands now isn't exactly set up for unlimited births because our priorities are currently warped.
    I never got into the when does it begin debate, just once it is here, then what?

    Real talk: a chitload of people don't care about other human beings and child lives.
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    Abortion is healthcare, pretty bizarre to decribe a procedure where a human life is ended, 100% of the Time
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    Whats concerning is you have all these people that are concerned with the unborn rights yet when it comes to those children already born, they are no way in favor of background checks or restrictions on 18 year olds having easy access to certain weapons used in mass murdering kids in a school, because, "oh my gun rights"

    Yet in the next breath they support stripping women's rights away..

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    True. Why right now?

    I am surprised the tinfoil hat crew hasn't surfaced saying it's just a distraction. I guess it's because they agree with this one
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    Originally Posted by mtpockets View Post
    Whats concerning is you have all these people that are concerned with the unborn rights yet when it comes to those children already born, they are no way in favor of background checks or restrictions on 18 year olds having easy access to certain weapons used in mass murdering kids in a school, because, "oh my gun rights"

    Yet in the next breath they support stripping women's rights away..

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    Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    This post is pure emotional rant, none of it is reality.
    WTF do you know about reality? (insert Twilight Zone theme here)
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    I wonder what the Roar in Heaven Sounded like from the 63 MILLION Children
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    I am surprised the tinfoil hat crew hasn't surfaced saying it's just a distraction. I guess it's because they agree with this one
    My position that I respect all women, no matter which side they are on. I have my personal beliefs, but I am a Man. Also, not going to fall into the trap of arguing on something that will be debated until the end of time.
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    Originally Posted by thomashenry View Post
    I wonder what the Roar in Heaven Sounded like from the 63 MILLION Children
    Read up, they are back here now in other forms.
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    Originally Posted by thomashenry View Post
    I wonder what the Roar in Heaven Sounded like from the 63 MILLION Children
    Even though personal continuation after physical death is a fantasy created by consciousness, fetuses are far removed from characteristics that are mistaken for an actual character.
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    Originally Posted by mtpockets View Post
    I am surprised the tinfoil hat crew hasn't surfaced saying it's just a distraction. I guess it's because they agree with this one
    No not really, I’m for freedom and personal responsibility.

    I don’t agree with the “nation of laws” bit , Russia has laws too, one of them is or was (I’m sure is again) No Frank Zappa music. It must suck to live there.
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    Justice Thomas: SCOTUS ‘should reconsider’ contraception, same-sex marriage rulings.
    What in the holy fuk is going on? I feel like we've fallen into an alternative universe. This a$$hole in a robe is just pissed off his wife got caught with her hand in the cookie jar.
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    Originally Posted by bustasinclair View Post
    This a$$hole in a robe is just pissed off his wife got caught with her hand in the cookie jar.


    When the food shortages start, I’ll be right here with ya on this important matter.
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    Originally Posted by Tommy W. View Post
    There is a misconception that abortion is now illegal which isn't the case. It means that states have the option and many will still allow it. If someone needs one it's a plane ride away.
    ^^ This. All it says is that the abortion rights are not enshrined in the Constitution and so that power is ceded to the states.
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    Good on them....

    Amazon has granted a new and unusual benefit to the million-plus Americans who work for the company: $4,000 to travel for out-of-state health care, including abortions.





    The benefit covers the cost of travel for “family planning” for all employees who cannot access care where they live, Disney said, including “pregnancy-related decisions.”

    Ride-hailing service Lyft said Friday that its U.S. medical benefits plan includes coverage for “elective abortion and reimbursement for travel costs” if an employee must travel more than 100 miles for an in-network provider
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    Originally Posted by supramax View Post
    Even though personal continuation after physical death is a fantasy created by consciousness, fetuses are far removed from characteristics that are mistaken for an actual character.
    You have your theories and beliefs I have mine
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