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    Vince Gironda hormone precursor shake economics and nutrient info

    For you 'tards that are not financially astute or have problems tracking macronutrients, here a is a breakdown of the shake.


    Ingredient, carbs, protein, fat, calories, cost in dollars.

    Milk, 11 8 8 150 .25
    Greek yogurt, 10 23 0 140 1.00
    3 raw jumbo eggs, 0 24 18 270 .50
    Whey powder, 7 30 3 170 1.00

    Totals: 28 grams of carbs, 85 grams of protein, 29 grams of fat, 730 calories, $2.75.

    I'm not endorsing this, just providing the info for the 'tards.

    I generally buy premium ingredients, just like my shotguns and vehicles. You can probably lower the cost by 30% by using generic stuff.
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    Originally Posted by paulinkansas View Post
    For you 'tards that are not financially astute or have problems tracking macronutrients, here a is a breakdown of the shake.


    Ingredient, carbs, protein, fat, calories, cost in dollars.

    Milk, 11 8 8 150 .25
    Greek yogurt, 10 23 0 140 1.00
    3 raw jumbo eggs, 0 24 18 270 .50
    Whey powder, 7 30 3 170 1.00

    Totals: 28 grams of carbs, 85 grams of protein, 29 grams of fat, 730 calories, $2.75.

    I'm not endorsing this, just providing the info for the 'tards.

    I generally buy premium ingredients, just like my shotguns and vehicles. You can probably lower the cost by 30% by using generic stuff.
    My first wife was 'tarded. She's a pilot now.

    & damn, man! That's a lot of protein for one shake. Do you chug it all down in one go? How long do you wait after drinking it to eat solid food?
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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    My first wife was 'tarded. She's a pilot now.

    & damn, man! That's a lot of protein for one shake. Do you chug it all down in one go? How long do you wait after drinking it to eat solid food?
    The shake lasts me about 120 minutes to consume. My serving size of Greek yogurt and milk is probably less than a label serving size. But I use 3 eggs and a serving of whey.
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    How would you rate the taste of said shake?
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    Originally Posted by paulinkansas View Post
    The shake lasts me about 120 minutes to consume. My serving size of Greek yogurt and milk is probably less than a label serving size. But I use 3 eggs and a serving of whey.
    Oh ok that makes sense. That'd be a VERY difficult shale to just chug down in a few minutes. I wonder if you could throw some liquor, sugar, & nutmeg in there to make it a protein-packed hormone precursor egg nog for the holidays?
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    Originally Posted by DougyF7 View Post
    How would you rate the taste of said shake?
    4/10 but I have pretty low taste. Literally and figuratively. I'll eat raw meat.
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    Originally Posted by paulinkansas View Post
    4/10
    Lol that's not too bad - gets the job done!
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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    Oh ok that makes sense. That'd be a VERY difficult shale to just chug down in a few minutes. I wonder if you could throw some liquor, sugar, & nutmeg in there to make it a protein-packed hormone precursor egg nog for the holidays?
    This guy's got the right idea! Kris kringle shake
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    Originally Posted by DougyF7 View Post
    This guy's got the right idea! Kris kringle shake
    Date dere bowl full o jelly diet
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    Paul needs to change his avi to some kind of Santa thing and start an FFO-esque Christmas spinoff
    Yea, like guessing which one of Santa’s “sexy” elves isn’t hiding a candy cane…


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    For you 'tards that are not financially astute
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    Originally Posted by desslok View Post
    Date dere bowl full o jelly diet
    I wonder if that was a thing back in the day... people just filled bowls full of jelly at parties and such. Somehow we reigned things under control and just started putting it on sandwiches.
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    Originally Posted by DougyF7 View Post
    I wonder if that was a thing back in the day... people just filled bowls full of jelly at parties and such. Somehow we reigned things under control and just started putting it on sandwiches.
    Yeah it was probably like on the Reese’s commercial. The guy serving the bowl full of jelly bumped into the guy serving the bowl full of peanut butter and after they stopped blaming each orher for who got their item into the other item, they realized it was the best combination since sliced bread, and decided to put it on sliced bread
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    Originally Posted by paulinkansas View Post
    For you 'tards that are not financially astute or have problems tracking macronutrients, here a is a breakdown of the shake.


    Ingredient, carbs, protein, fat, calories, cost in dollars.

    Milk, 11 8 8 150 .25
    Greek yogurt, 10 23 0 140 1.00
    3 raw jumbo eggs, 0 24 18 270 .50
    Whey powder, 7 30 3 170 1.00

    Totals: 28 grams of carbs, 85 grams of protein, 29 grams of fat, 730 calories, $2.75.

    I'm not endorsing this, just providing the info for the 'tards.

    I generally buy premium ingredients, just like my shotguns and vehicles. You can probably lower the cost by 30% by using generic stuff.
    That’s 713 calories
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    3 of these a day and thats pretty much my macros for the day
    Cutting sucks eh?
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    Cutting sucks eh?
    Cutting sucks even for people like you & me who technically are like the gods of dieting having damn near starved ourselves to death. Even when we thought we were "getting something out of it", we basically lost all other human capacities and took major hits that take years of repair. Then again, I could probly say the same thing about "bulking" for like 90% of the population. That's more of a "dirty bulk" situation. The only thing that doesn't suck is maintaining or slowly bulking. Both of these things, ironically enough, are probably the hardest things to do for most people.
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    ^^ Looking forward to 3,500 calories a day again. Although I've gotten used to the deficit of about 2,700 and it's surprisingly not been as hard as I was anticipating, being slow and moderate about it.
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    ^^ Looking forward to 3,500 calories a day again. Although I've gotten used to the deficit of about 2,700 and it's surprisingly not been as hard as I was anticipating, being slow and moderate about it.
    That's because you're one of the few who has the discipline to do it right. A moderate deficit's definitely the way-to-go. Most people want fast results so they go all-in with bulking or cutting, & then they wind up with no results in the long run.
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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    That's because you're one of the few who has the discipline to do it right. A moderate deficit's definitely the way-to-go. Most people want fast results so they go all-in with bulking or cutting, & then they wind up with no results in the long run.
    Thanks, but I've still got a ways to go before I'm properly lean - just fortunately no longer properly fat. I imagine it gets a lot harder when you aren't already overweight and have plenty of reserve energy to work with (in college there were some times where I didn't have money and ran out of food and ended up getting pretty lean and being hungry often, but that was temporary).

    The next challenge to exhibit discipline (where I have slipped up even since regularly posting here) is to be consistent with an actual moderation. I have a good feeling about it this time, as I've never taken it this slow and consistently until this stint.

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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    Cutting sucks even for people like you & me who technically are like the gods of dieting having damn near starved ourselves to death. Even when we thought we were "getting something out of it", we basically lost all other human capacities and took major hits that take years of repair. Then again, I could probly say the same thing about "bulking" for like 90% of the population. That's more of a "dirty bulk" situation. The only thing that doesn't suck is maintaining or slowly bulking. Both of these things, ironically enough, are probably the hardest things to do for most people.
    Totally man… you and I have these paradoxical ‘survival’ genetics wherein a deficit triggers this motivational brain response that cascades until it nearly kills us without intervention…

    Back in the day, we would have done quite well surviving on almost nothing in the wild… but in this day and age, only hurts us under the right circumstance.

    Force feeding is, as you said, conversely miserable… some people get this crazy high from just stuffing themselves whereas, now outside the extreme hunger phase, feels like torture to folks like you and me.
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    Cutting sucks eh?
    Nah mate. I train almost every day but thats only a few hundred calories. Rest of the day i am either riding my bike or watching TV or playing playstation. So my energy expenditure is very little.
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    Nah mate. I train almost every day but thats only a few hundred calories. Rest of the day i am either riding my bike or watching TV or playing playstation. So my energy expenditure is very little.
    But if 3 of those shakes makes up your daily calories, that's like 2100-2200 calories...

    I can't imagine someone your size could maintain on that...

    You're like 200+ pounds... your BMR alone would be almost that much...
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    But if 3 of those shakes makes up your daily calories, that's like 2100-2200 calories...

    I can't imagine someone your size could maintain on that...

    You're like 200+ pounds... your BMR alone would be almost that much...
    You have been around a while mate. You would know those calculations arent always accurate. humans are open systems. I maintain weight on 2500, lose weight or gain with 500 each way from 2500. Some days I might do more at the gym or some other activity. Other days I might actually do less or pretty much absolutely nothing.

    I am retired so think of me like an old man lol. You got a job yeah? so that alone has you burn a few hundred more calories per day than me. Yeah I bigger but as you would know 1lbs of muscle is like an extra 9 calories oxidized per day. Body weight now I think is ~225lbs.

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    Originally Posted by allrnder View Post
    You have been around a while mate. You would know those calculations arent always accurate. humans are open systems. I maintain weight on 2500, lose weight or gain with 500 each way from 2500. Some days I might do more at the gym or some other activity. Other days I might actually do less or pretty much absolutely nothing.

    I am retired so think of me like an old man lol. You got a job yeah? so that alone has you burn a few hundred more calories per day than me. Yeah I bigger but as you would know 1lbs of muscle is like an extra 9 calories oxidized per day. Body weight now I think is ~225lbs.

    Actually need to update my bench in bio to 170kg too. I forgot how to use this page.
    I have a desk job

    I weigh 151lb

    I maintain on ~3000 calories….

    BMR calculators can be off, yea, but in general they UNDERestimate BMR for muscular people
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    Originally Posted by allrnder View Post
    You have been around a while mate. You would know those calculations arent always accurate. humans are open systems. I maintain weight on 2500, lose weight or gain with 500 each way from 2500. Some days I might do more at the gym or some other activity. Other days I might actually do less or pretty much absolutely nothing.

    I am retired so think of me like an old man lol. You got a job yeah? so that alone has you burn a few hundred more calories per day than me. Yeah I bigger but as you would know 1lbs of muscle is like an extra 9 calories oxidized per day. Body weight now I think is ~225lbs.

    Actually need to update my bench in bio to 170kg too. I forgot how to use this page.
    I am curious how you can be maintaining a 375lb bench with 2500 calories a day...
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    I am curious how you can be maintaining a 375lb bench with 2500 calories a day...
    Exactly

    Perhaps special ‘supplements’?

    But then, the calorie intake would seem even more odd if this was weight maintenance
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    Exactly

    Perhaps special ‘supplements’?

    But then, the calorie intake would seem even more odd if this was weight maintenance
    Agreed. Maybe he's a rare example of someone who actually undercounts calories; because it just doesn't seem possible.

    But either way, those are some very solid stats!
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