Reply
Results 1 to 29 of 29
  1. #1
    Registered User Darkius's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2016
    Age: 38
    Posts: 2,321
    Rep Power: 6244
    Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000)
    Darkius is offline

    Why do I fall backwards when squatting?

    Cliffs:
    What are some common reasons people fall backwards, and what troubleshooting steps do you recommend (besides posting a video)?




    ...
    I try to keep my knees from going past my toes and get my upper leg down to parallel and think of sitting on a toilet.

    My trainer warns when my knees go too far forward. She also tells me to not lean my torso too far forward since this is a squat not a deadlift.

    I have long legs and a short torso, but so does she, and she squats fine.

    She wants me to work on hamstring stretches, hip thrusts, calf stretches, and straighten my hunch back more. I'd like to have a different trainer see me for a session.

    I have a video, but it includes my head, as is not of when I fell over. I balanced by holding weights way out in front of me.



    What are some common reasons people fall backward? The mirrors at my gym start 2 feet up, so I can't see my shoes. I'll try squatting on a platform. And will put pads behind it, lol.

    I'm also thinking of squatting with my toes touching a wall and dragging my knees down the wall, but should my head stick past my toes? Maybe I'll put the box in front of my toes instead.
    Last edited by Darkius; 11-04-2021 at 12:17 PM.
    Reply With Quote

  2. #2
    Registered User air2fakie's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2019
    Age: 52
    Posts: 5,922
    Rep Power: 19446
    air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    air2fakie is offline
    It's uncommon for people to fall backwards when squatting unless they're idiots.

    You may have dimensions/form that naturally need your knees to go further forward than you and your trainer think is allowable.

    You may also sit too far back on the toilet so it may not be a good cue for you.
    Reply With Quote

  3. #3
    Registered User Darkius's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2016
    Age: 38
    Posts: 2,321
    Rep Power: 6244
    Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000)
    Darkius is offline
    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    It's uncommon for people to fall backwards when squatting unless they're idiots.

    You may have dimensions/form that naturally need your knees to go further forward than you and your trainer think is allowable.

    You may also sit too far back on the toilet so it may not be a good cue for you.
    Not just my trainer. Almost every trainer online including Riptoe.



    There are 4 degrees of freedom here:
    1. Heal joint, which sets the knee position and affects balance. Moving knees forward move balance forward while increasing load on the knees.
    2. Knee joint, which won't affect balance when near parallel.
    3. Hip joint, which can affect balance depending how far the torso leans. I suspect I need to lean lower than most.
    4. Weight location, front vs side vs behind the shoulder. I never was a fan of barbells on my back. Nice thing is even with heavy dumbbels, the torque I need to balance my body is the same, so I don't have to move them as far forward. The amount I must use still is a moderate front delt workout.

    Falling back with 2 dumbbells is also safer than with a barbell on my back. I can still do shallow squats with the barbell.

    Gobblet squats might work well for me now.
    Reply With Quote

  4. #4
    Registered User Darkius's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2016
    Age: 38
    Posts: 2,321
    Rep Power: 6244
    Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000)
    Darkius is offline
    I also love bent leg barbell deadlifts. I wonder how low I can go and if they are a substitute for squats. Balance works better for me, safety seems higher, grip strength is built, no bar digging into my back. No squat rack needed.
    Reply With Quote

  5. #5
    Registered User EliKoehn's Avatar
    Join Date: Aug 2019
    Age: 52
    Posts: 3,313
    Rep Power: 15161
    EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    EliKoehn is offline
    Originally Posted by Darkius View Post
    I also love bent leg barbell deadlifts. I wonder how low I can go and if they are a substitute for squats. Balance works better for me, safety seems higher, grip strength is built, no bar digging into my back. No squat rack needed.
    If you want to morph the deadlift into something more like a squat, use a hex bar.
    Bench: 320
    Squat: 375
    Deadlift: 495

    "... But always, there remained, the discipline of steel!"
    Reply With Quote

  6. #6
    Registered User air2fakie's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2019
    Age: 52
    Posts: 5,922
    Rep Power: 19446
    air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    air2fakie is offline
    Again, people who lift casually don't repeatedly fall backwards during squats and the goal isn't to pick a variation that is safest when you fall backwards.

    It's silly to say you don't want to show people your video, which will allow them to see what you're doing wrong. Especially since based on your posts, you're probably doing 20 outlandish things you read online or based on your own theories that are totally messing up your form.

    It's hard for people to give you advice when you already know everything, and when most of your threads are pretty much you talking to yourself.
    Reply With Quote

  7. #7
    Registered User WolfRose7's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2016
    Location: United Kingdom (Great Britain)
    Age: 28
    Posts: 11,162
    Rep Power: 52457
    WolfRose7 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) WolfRose7 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) WolfRose7 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) WolfRose7 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) WolfRose7 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) WolfRose7 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) WolfRose7 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) WolfRose7 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) WolfRose7 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) WolfRose7 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) WolfRose7 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    WolfRose7 is offline
    You can't fall backward unless the weight is shifting behind your centre of gravity.

    So you are either most likely not allowing enough knee travel and overbiasing the hips.

    Squat is a balance between hips n quads.

    People like Rip go way to far one way and train everyone with the same queues as if that's how people work.
    And you get the opposite end who only ever shout knees out chest up.

    Your trainer has no idea how to coach, she might know what works for her, but she doesn't know that her queues don't always apply to others yet.

    Watch some of Dave Tates coaching on YouTube where he gets 6+ people at a time, everyone gets different feedback, some have similar tendencies because we do get common patterns but you can coach 1 way all the time. You might as well be a 1 page manual and not a coach at that point
    5 day full body crew

    FMH Crew, Sandbagging Mike Tuscherer Wannabee
    Reply With Quote

  8. #8
    Registered User BeginnerGainz's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2019
    Age: 52
    Posts: 7,173
    Rep Power: 41795
    BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    BeginnerGainz is offline
    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    If you want to morph the deadlift into something more like a squat, use a hex bar.
    A sumo deadlift is closer to a squat than a hex bar deadlift. And neither of them are close to a squat. Completely different movements entirely.

    OP. Your trainer needs to make herself more knowledgeable on how to squat. Knees over toes isn’t a bad thing. Leaning forward isn’t a bad thing. It all depends on how your built.
    Last edited by BeginnerGainz; 11-04-2021 at 03:20 PM.
    Age: 29

    "If I have seen further than others, it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants"
    -Sir Isaac Newton
    Reply With Quote

  9. #9
    Registered User EliKoehn's Avatar
    Join Date: Aug 2019
    Age: 52
    Posts: 3,313
    Rep Power: 15161
    EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    EliKoehn is offline
    It literally is "more" like a squat than a conventional deadlift.

    Squats are also partially hinges, as you surely know.
    Bench: 320
    Squat: 375
    Deadlift: 495

    "... But always, there remained, the discipline of steel!"
    Reply With Quote

  10. #10
    Registered User paulinkansas's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2018
    Posts: 4,896
    Rep Power: 33657
    paulinkansas has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) paulinkansas has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) paulinkansas has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) paulinkansas has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) paulinkansas has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) paulinkansas has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) paulinkansas has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) paulinkansas has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) paulinkansas has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) paulinkansas has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) paulinkansas has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    paulinkansas is offline
    Do you have an ear infection?
    Furnished rental houses in Coffeyville Kansas. Bills paid, weekly rates, full kitchens, washer/dryer, cable/wifi. For traveling workers.
    Reply With Quote

  11. #11
    Unregistered User MyEgoProblem's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2015
    Location: United Kingdom (Great Britain)
    Posts: 7,097
    Rep Power: 58993
    MyEgoProblem has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) MyEgoProblem has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) MyEgoProblem has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) MyEgoProblem has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) MyEgoProblem has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) MyEgoProblem has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) MyEgoProblem has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) MyEgoProblem has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) MyEgoProblem has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) MyEgoProblem has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) MyEgoProblem has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    MyEgoProblem is offline
    People fail over when they are too scared to lean over and try to stay too upright.

    Or they are watching them selves in a mirrors with their heads cranked back.


    Originally Posted by BeginnerGainz View Post
    A sumo deadlift is closer to a squat than a hex bar deadlift. And neither of them are close to a squat. Completely different movements entirely.

    OP. Your trainer needs to make herself more knowledgeable on how to squat. Knees over toes isn’t a bad thing. Leaning forward isn’t a bad thing. It all depends on how your built.
    The freedom to blast your knees forward with a trap bar with an upright Torso and bastardise the lift (erm? Modify the pattern...)
    is certainly FAR more like a squat than most sumos.

    Then if you use the high handles, that's just a force multiplier to the position. And at least as squatty as most lowbars.

    Definitely bin the coach 100%... No clue at all.
    A pt cert does not a knowledgeable coach make.
    Last edited by MyEgoProblem; 11-04-2021 at 06:39 PM.
    FMH crew - Couch.
    Washed up meathead

    Masters lifter.. With a lot less F's left to give
    Reply With Quote

  12. #12
    Registered User Darkius's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2016
    Age: 38
    Posts: 2,321
    Rep Power: 6244
    Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000)
    Darkius is offline
    I'm glad to read so many different people saying the same thing. That gives me confidence in your advice.

    My trainer also said it is ok to point toes straight forward, which Riptoe said 30 degrees in his instructions.

    I'll have a look at Dave Tates, and also see if AthleneX has a squat video. Maybe I have been reading too small a fish bowl.
    Reply With Quote

  13. #13
    Registered User BeginnerGainz's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2019
    Age: 52
    Posts: 7,173
    Rep Power: 41795
    BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    BeginnerGainz is offline
    Originally Posted by Darkius View Post
    I'm glad to read so many different people saying the same thing. That gives me confidence in your advice.

    My trainer also said it is ok to point toes straight forward, which Riptoe said 30 degrees in his instructions.

    I'll have a look at Dave Tates, and also see if AthleneX has a squat video. Maybe I have been reading too small a fish bowl.
    Dude.

    Just post a form video.
    Age: 29

    "If I have seen further than others, it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants"
    -Sir Isaac Newton
    Reply With Quote

  14. #14
    Registered User jaxqen's Avatar
    Join Date: Dec 2016
    Age: 33
    Posts: 878
    Rep Power: 6001
    jaxqen is a name known to all. (+5000) jaxqen is a name known to all. (+5000) jaxqen is a name known to all. (+5000) jaxqen is a name known to all. (+5000) jaxqen is a name known to all. (+5000) jaxqen is a name known to all. (+5000) jaxqen is a name known to all. (+5000) jaxqen is a name known to all. (+5000) jaxqen is a name known to all. (+5000) jaxqen is a name known to all. (+5000) jaxqen is a name known to all. (+5000)
    jaxqen is offline
    so, the hexbar will or not grow yuuuge quads?




    Every time someone post a form video, at least one person masturbates looking at it.
    Just don't, it's not safe!
    This is how pornstars started.
    In no time, you'll wake up in jizz, coke, meth, saliva and piss. Not yours, others. OK, maybe part of the piss is yours, but that's it.


    And just do Jefferson deadlifts, like a real man, with balls of steel. Squats are for sado-masochists who will end up like pornstars, but with blood and bruises and without coke.


    Originally Posted by Darkius View Post
    and also see if AthleneX has a squat video.
    with or without fake weights?

    or a real man, like jason blaha, he has the fat, the beard and the bald head to prove it. Also glasses, like an intelectual, unlike Cavaliere.

    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post

    It's hard for people to give you advice when you already know everything
    Don't give him advice then!
    Reply With Quote

  15. #15
    Registered User BeginnerGainz's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2019
    Age: 52
    Posts: 7,173
    Rep Power: 41795
    BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    BeginnerGainz is offline
    Originally Posted by jaxqen View Post
    so, the hexbar will or not grow yuuuge quads?




    Every time someone post a form video, at least one person masturbates looking at it.
    Just don't, it's not safe!
    This is how pornstars started.
    In no time, you'll wake up in jizz, coke, meth, saliva and piss. Not yours, others. OK, maybe part of the piss is yours, but that's it.


    And just do Jefferson deadlifts, like a real man, with balls of steel. Squats are for sado-masochists who will end up like pornstars, but with blood and bruises and without coke.


    Wut
    Age: 29

    "If I have seen further than others, it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants"
    -Sir Isaac Newton
    Reply With Quote

  16. #16
    Registered User air2fakie's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2019
    Age: 52
    Posts: 5,922
    Rep Power: 19446
    air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    air2fakie is offline
    Originally Posted by jaxqen View Post
    Don't give him advice then!
    I don't anymore, that was for the benefit of the people here who still try to help this dude.
    Reply With Quote

  17. #17
    Registered User TheShadowMan's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2014
    Posts: 2,709
    Rep Power: 18837
    TheShadowMan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) TheShadowMan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) TheShadowMan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) TheShadowMan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) TheShadowMan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) TheShadowMan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) TheShadowMan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) TheShadowMan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) TheShadowMan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) TheShadowMan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) TheShadowMan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    TheShadowMan is offline
    Might help to warm up with a set or two of bodyweight squats, to prime the movement and practice your balance. Also, careful not to be too upright by looking at the ceiling, that can shift the load behind your center of gravity and make you prone to falling back. There's a sweet spot you'll find through practicing the movement enough times, it may not be immediate but you will eventually dial it in.
    Back to basics full body routine: https://pastebin.com/5BgKgrMv

    Training journal: https://igoodies.000webhostapp.com/?viagra=showthread.php?t=178059671&p=1598034261#post1598034261
    Reply With Quote

  18. #18
    Registered User Darkius's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2016
    Age: 38
    Posts: 2,321
    Rep Power: 6244
    Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000)
    Darkius is offline
    I read more about Riptoe in other threads, and read his instructions again to check my memory. Riptoe recommends keeping the knees from passing the toes because he prefers lifting with the hips. He also advises leaning forward more. He does not say it is to avoid injury, but more about power.

    My trainer and also my therapist said to keep my knee behind my toes because it is easier on injured knees. They knew this was not critical squat form. My trainer told me to keep my back up because she was worried about me reagrevating a lower back injury. This all worked for shallow squats but lead to balance issues when I went deeper.


    I'm gradually learning which aspects of form are to prevent injury, to target different muscles, or to make tracking progress easier. Most directions don't specify which.


    I now wonder if my knees have improved, or if I've just been trained how to squat without using them as much.
    Reply With Quote

  19. #19
    Registered User air2fakie's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2019
    Age: 52
    Posts: 5,922
    Rep Power: 19446
    air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    air2fakie is offline
    Originally Posted by Darkius View Post
    I read more about Riptoe in other threads, and read his instructions again to check my memory. Riptoe recommends keeping the knees from passing the toes because he prefers lifting with the hips. He also advises leaning forward more. He does not say it is to avoid injury, but more about power.

    My trainer and also my therapist said to keep my knee behind my toes because it is easier on injured knees. They knew this was not critical squat form. My trainer told me to keep my back up because she was worried about me reagrevating a lower back injury. This all worked for shallow squats but lead to balance issues when I went deeper.


    I'm gradually learning which aspects of form are to prevent injury, to target different muscles, or to make tracking progress easier. Most directions don't specify which.


    I now wonder if my knees have improved, or if I've just been trained how to squat without using them as much.
    Does any of Rippletits, your trainer or your therapist recommend falling backwards repeatedly when you squat in addition to knees behind toes?
    Reply With Quote

  20. #20
    Registered User Darkius's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2016
    Age: 38
    Posts: 2,321
    Rep Power: 6244
    Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000)
    Darkius is offline
    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    Does any of Rippletits, your trainer or your therapist recommend falling backwards repeatedly when you squat in addition to knees behind toes?
    As I stated above in my post you quoted, Riptoe recommends leaning the torso forward to balance with knees not going past the toes, and this is just because he loves using hips more for power, even though knees past toes is good for growing the quads.

    As for my trainer and therapist, neither wants me squating low right now if it might pressure my knees or formerly strained lower back too much. They recommend shallow squats where balance is less of an issue, now that they see the balance issue.

    I think my low back can handle forward bend and will do unweighted Riptoe squats, rubber band assisted low squats with knees past toes, and weighted shallow squats for now till my knees get stronger.

    I'm also going to bicycle with my toes instead of mid foot on the pedal, so I engage my quads more instead of my sore hamstrings, now that I know what is causing that.
    Reply With Quote

  21. #21
    Registered User BeginnerGainz's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2019
    Age: 52
    Posts: 7,173
    Rep Power: 41795
    BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) BeginnerGainz has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    BeginnerGainz is offline
    Originally Posted by Darkius View Post
    As I stated above in my post you quoted, Riptoe recommends leaning the torso forward to balance with knees not going past the toes, and this is just because he loves using hips more for power, even though knees past toes is good for growing the quads.

    As for my trainer and therapist, neither wants me squating low right now if it might pressure my knees or formerly strained lower back too much. They recommend shallow squats where balance is less of an issue, now that they see the balance issue.

    I think my low back can handle forward bend and will do unweighted Riptoe squats, rubber band assisted low squats with knees past toes, and weighted shallow squats for now till my knees get stronger.

    I'm also going to bicycle with my toes instead of mid foot on the pedal, so I engage my quads more instead of my sore hamstrings, now that I know what is causing that.
    It is spelled Rippetoe, but you already knew that.
    Age: 29

    "If I have seen further than others, it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants"
    -Sir Isaac Newton
    Reply With Quote

  22. #22
    Registered User EliKoehn's Avatar
    Join Date: Aug 2019
    Age: 52
    Posts: 3,313
    Rep Power: 15161
    EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    EliKoehn is offline
    Man I wish Rippetoe was also my therapist. Just googled some Rippetoe quotes and this guy was a sage of his time.

    "The deadlift also serves as a way to train the mind to do things that are hard."

    "A weak man is not as happy as that same man would be if he were strong. This reality is offensive to some people who would like the intellectual or spiritual to take precedence. It is instructive to see what happens to these very people as their squat strength goes up."

    "An adult male weighs at least 200 pounds." (<-- lol)
    Bench: 320
    Squat: 375
    Deadlift: 495

    "... But always, there remained, the discipline of steel!"
    Reply With Quote

  23. #23
    Registered User paulinkansas's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2018
    Posts: 4,896
    Rep Power: 33657
    paulinkansas has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) paulinkansas has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) paulinkansas has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) paulinkansas has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) paulinkansas has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) paulinkansas has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) paulinkansas has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) paulinkansas has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) paulinkansas has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) paulinkansas has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) paulinkansas has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    paulinkansas is offline
    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    "A weak man is not as happy as that same man would be if he were strong. This reality is offensive to some people who would like the intellectual or spiritual to take precedence. It is instructive to see what happens to these very people as their squat strength goes up."
    If wonder if that quote was the origin or creative spark that helped create the characters "Hans and Franz"?
    Furnished rental houses in Coffeyville Kansas. Bills paid, weekly rates, full kitchens, washer/dryer, cable/wifi. For traveling workers.
    Reply With Quote

  24. #24
    Han shot first! TolerantLactose's Avatar
    Join Date: Aug 2019
    Posts: 4,110
    Rep Power: 24426
    TolerantLactose has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) TolerantLactose has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) TolerantLactose has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) TolerantLactose has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) TolerantLactose has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) TolerantLactose has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) TolerantLactose has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) TolerantLactose has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) TolerantLactose has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) TolerantLactose has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) TolerantLactose has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    TolerantLactose is offline
    Originally Posted by BeginnerGainz View Post
    It is spelled Rippetoe, but you already knew that.
    What else would you expect from a troll? He goes from complaining about falling backwards doing baby squats to giving advice in a form check without blinking.
    Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
    Galatians 4:16
    Reply With Quote

  25. #25
    Registered User air2fakie's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2019
    Age: 52
    Posts: 5,922
    Rep Power: 19446
    air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) air2fakie is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    air2fakie is offline
    Originally Posted by Darkius View Post
    As I stated above in my post you quoted, Riptoe recommends leaning the torso forward to balance with knees not going past the toes, and this is just because he loves using hips more for power, even though knees past toes is good for growing the quads.

    As for my trainer and therapist, neither wants me squating low right now if it might pressure my knees or formerly strained lower back too much. They recommend shallow squats where balance is less of an issue, now that they see the balance issue.

    I think my low back can handle forward bend and will do unweighted Riptoe squats, rubber band assisted low squats with knees past toes, and weighted shallow squats for now till my knees get stronger.

    I'm also going to bicycle with my toes instead of mid foot on the pedal, so I engage my quads more instead of my sore hamstrings, now that I know what is causing that.
    The fact that you repeatedly fall backwards when squatting (with dbs of all things) is bizarre, as is the fact that your trainer & therapist haven't fixed this via whatever combo of knees, hips & lean positioning that makes sense for you.

    I'm not going to blame Rip for your issues, as he's never seen you squat & the vids you watch are simply giving general cues to a general audience.
    Reply With Quote

  26. #26
    Registered User jaxqen's Avatar
    Join Date: Dec 2016
    Age: 33
    Posts: 878
    Rep Power: 6001
    jaxqen is a name known to all. (+5000) jaxqen is a name known to all. (+5000) jaxqen is a name known to all. (+5000) jaxqen is a name known to all. (+5000) jaxqen is a name known to all. (+5000) jaxqen is a name known to all. (+5000) jaxqen is a name known to all. (+5000) jaxqen is a name known to all. (+5000) jaxqen is a name known to all. (+5000) jaxqen is a name known to all. (+5000) jaxqen is a name known to all. (+5000)
    jaxqen is offline
    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Man I wish Rippetoe was also my therapist. Just googled some Rippetoe quotes and this guy was a sage of his time.

    "The deadlift also serves as a way to train the mind to do things that are hard."

    "An adult male weighs at least 200 pounds." (<-- lol)
    I'm not going to comment on this deadlift one, but an adult male, lifter or not, 200 pounds or not, should not look like Mark Rippetoe.
    Reply With Quote

  27. #27
    Registered User Darkius's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2016
    Age: 38
    Posts: 2,321
    Rep Power: 6244
    Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000) Darkius is a name known to all. (+5000)
    Darkius is offline
    Well I'm now putting my knees past my toes. I tested them out again. No longer hurts. I did several full depth goblet squats. It is cardiovascular, but I won't add weight for now. I want to make sure my knees are ready before I take risks there.



    And I did not know it was Rippetoe. I had read the article over a month ago.

    And why wouldn't I restate what I thought I had read? I thought I had just failed to follow it correctly.


    Anyway, what I like about goblet squats is my elbows keep my knees spaced correctly. Perfect width, as I saw on his video.
    Reply With Quote

  28. #28
    Registered User EliKoehn's Avatar
    Join Date: Aug 2019
    Age: 52
    Posts: 3,313
    Rep Power: 15161
    EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EliKoehn is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    EliKoehn is offline
    Originally Posted by jaxqen View Post
    I'm not going to comment on this deadlift one, but an adult male, lifter or not, 200 pounds or not, should not look like Mark Rippetoe.
    Yeah, I had that in mind too and found that one more amusing than anything else. I often miss sarcastic remarks but ironically when I make them, so do others.

    By the way, didn't you put a tribute to him in your sig a while back?
    Bench: 320
    Squat: 375
    Deadlift: 495

    "... But always, there remained, the discipline of steel!"
    Reply With Quote

  29. #29
    Health Bringer GabrielDorsi's Avatar
    Join Date: Oct 2021
    Posts: 14
    Rep Power: 0
    GabrielDorsi is on a distinguished road. (+10)
    GabrielDorsi is offline
    It may be caused by a lack of tibialis anterior strenght or less range of motion (ROM) when squatting. Could be weak gluteus maximus too tho
    Reply With Quote

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
www.000webhost.com