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    I might be getting weaker, what should I do?

    2 days ago I was able to do:

    2 sets of 12 proper pressups
    3 sets of 6 girl pressups

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    Today I seem a bit weaker

    1 set of 12 proper pressups
    1 set of 6 girl pressups.

    I feel very, very tired. I allowed one rest day to allow my chest muscles to recover. Do you know what's happened? Is this normal?

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    6 hours ago, I did some pull me ups. I don't know if that effected the training. Last week it was ok when I did this routine, I felt energised when I did it but today, I feel tired
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    Originally Posted by ken979 View Post
    Last week it was ok when I did this routine, I felt energised when I did it but today, I feel tired
    That’s not a proper routine.
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    Did you attempt more sets or did you just stop based on feelings?
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    What are pressups and pull me ups? Regardless, you need a legitimate novice program, not some bullchit.
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    Press ups are what Brits call push ups. I think it's the Brits.

    Pull me ups? I can guess but I've never heard that term used before OP.
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    Lot of drama and anxiety for 2 weeks of working out with 2 bw exercises.
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    Press ups are what Brits call push ups. I think it's the Brits.

    Pull me ups? I can guess but I've never heard that term used before OP.
    Press ups and push ups are the same thing, yep

    pull me ups are 2 chairs and a broom stick, then you pull up. I got that from Mark Lauren. I'm getting bits and piece's from every where
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    Did you attempt more sets or did you just stop based on feelings?
    I try and do 5 sets of 5. Sometimes I find myself winging it. I try and do a 30 second break before performing the next set, I worried my muscles won't grow if I give myself too much break. The last set, if I feel burning, I try and trick myself and add an other 10. If I burn I aim for failure on the last set. Sometime I feel I can't do any more, I count 3 seconds afterwards and then do an other couple of reps. In general I would say it's close to 5 sets of 5.

    I do:

    Press ups or push ups
    Pull me ups, which is 2 chairs and a broom stick
    laterial raises

    I aim for 5 sets of 5

    Just started squats yesterday. Did about 5 sets of 10.
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    Originally Posted by ken979 View Post
    2 days ago I was able to do:

    2 sets of 12 proper pressups
    3 sets of 6 girl pressups

    ------------------------------

    Today I seem a bit weaker

    1 set of 12 proper pressups
    1 set of 6 girl pressups.

    I feel very, very tired. I allowed one rest day to allow my chest muscles to recover. Do you know what's happened? Is this normal?

    ---------------------------

    6 hours ago, I did some pull me ups. I don't know if that effected the training. Last week it was ok when I did this routine, I felt energised when I did it but today, I feel tired
    Take two or three days rest, you’re weaker and fatigued, you didn’t recover.

    Training tears down muscles….rest and nutrition build the up, repairing the damage, making it require MORE to damage them again.

    Rest and recovery…

    This is why I personally hit a muscle once every four days. You will eventually find yours optimal rest.
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    Earlier this week, you posted how side arm raised made you dizzy. Then when asked more about it, commented that it was a one-time thing, and you had also had a fair amount of extra caffeine. Then, it didn't happen the next workout.

    You would probably be best served NOT to let a one-time event be your bellwether mark, seemingly signaling a long-term trend...
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    Originally Posted by coachcalande View Post
    Take two or three days rest, you’re weaker and fatigued, you didn’t recover.

    Training tears down muscles….rest and nutrition build the up, repairing the damage, making it require MORE to damage them again.

    Rest and recovery…

    This is why I personally hit a muscle once every four days. You will eventually find yours optimal rest.
    Thanks for that. This makes sense but at the same time, I'm worried I might lose my gains. Maybe I try 2 rest days and find my optimal rest. Your right, it could be 3 or 4. I need to measure it

    I'm 42 and don't know if that makes a difference in rest time?
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    Originally Posted by CommitmentRulz View Post
    Earlier this week, you posted how side arm raised made you dizzy. Then when asked more about it, commented that it was a one-time thing, and you had also had a fair amount of extra caffeine. Then, it didn't happen the next workout.

    You would probably be best served NOT to let a one-time event be your bellwether mark, seemingly signaling a long-term trend...
    Yeah, I don't know what I'm doing lol

    I rather ask and look silly, if it accelerate my learning curve. I think there will be much more questions in future.

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    Originally Posted by ken979 View Post
    Thanks for that. This makes sense but at the same time, I'm worried I might lose my gains. Maybe I try 2 rest days and find my optimal rest. Your right, it could be 3 or 4. I need to measure it

    I'm 42 and don't know if that makes a difference in rest time?
    Your 2 weeks of gains from press me ups and help me ups? You literally made up a random program based on a bunch of made up theories on how to build muscle and made up concerns, and seem to have no interest in actually following (or even learning) any sort of proper protocol or program.
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    Originally Posted by ken979 View Post
    I'm 42 and don't know if that makes a difference in rest time?
    You should know that you're one of the youngest posters in this thread.
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    Originally Posted by ken979 View Post
    Thanks for that. This makes sense but at the same time, I'm worried I might lose my gains. Maybe I try 2 rest days and find my optimal rest. Your right, it could be 3 or 4. I need to measure it

    I'm 42 and don't know if that makes a difference in rest time?
    Consider some research on how many hours it takes to LOSE benefits of a resistance workout.
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    You should know that you're one of the youngest posters in this thread.
    Your right my friend, I just realised.
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    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    Your 2 weeks of gains from press me ups and help me ups? You literally made up a random program based on a bunch of made up theories on how to build muscle and made up concerns, and seem to have no interest in actually following (or even learning) any sort of proper protocol or program.
    I'm a beginner, so not sure what program I should follow. I thought, you meant to get started and then learn as you go along? Then maybe add more things to the program

    What is wrong with the things I'm doing at the moment, I'm sort of confused to be honest?

    The 4 things I'm doing so far, seems good to me.

    Is it the set or the reps? Am I working the wrong muscle groups? What is it, I'm missing? Thanks.
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    Originally Posted by coachcalande View Post
    Consider some research on how many hours it takes to LOSE benefits of a resistance workout.
    Thanks man, look into it
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    Originally Posted by ken979 View Post
    What is wrong with the things I'm doing at the moment, I'm sort of confused to be honest?

    The 4 things I'm doing so far, seems good to me.

    Is it the set or the reps? Am I working the wrong muscle groups? What is it, I'm missing? Thanks.
    From your own posts the past few days:

    - You only want to build your shoulders, back & chest.

    - You're adding one exercise a week, and are now only doing press me ups, pull me ups, lateral raises + maybe squats.

    - You're doing random #s of sets & reps.

    - You're getting weaker.

    - You're very, very tired.

    - You get dizzy when doing lateral raises at room temperature, which you consider to be extreme heat.

    - This has all been after working out for only a few weeks.

    - You keep bringing up your age as if it's a roadblock, when (except for 1 person) we're all older than you so all it means is that you don't have the same wear & tear on your joints & you have the potential to make much better gains

    - You don't want to commit to proper training until after a test phase of 6 months to measure your commitment level and whether you'll quit.

    - You're only open to feedback within the parameters of the "routine" you're already doing which seems good to you

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    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    From your own posts the past few days:

    - You only want to build your shoulders, back & chest.

    - You're adding one exercise a week, and are now only doing press me ups, pull me ups, lateral raises + maybe squats.

    - You're doing random #s of sets & reps.

    - You're getting weaker.

    - You're very, very tired.

    - You get dizzy when doing lateral raises at room temperature, which you consider to be extreme heat.

    - This has all been after working out for only a few weeks.

    - You keep bringing up your age as if it's a roadblock, when (except for 1 person) we're all older than you so all it means is that you don't have the same wear & tear on your joints & you have the potential to make much better gains

    - You don't want to commit to proper training until after a test phase of 6 months to measure your commitment level and whether you'll quit.

    - You're only open to feedback within the parameters of the "routine" you're already doing which seems good to you

    Good luck!
    Is seems like the routine is the problem or the exerise is the problem or the excuse?

    I see there is a mindset problem as well

    In fact there is a lot of problems.

    How do I change all this?

    Infact where should I start, if I begin from scratch?

    If you were my trainer and Im willing to learn, what would you recommend me to do?
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    Originally Posted by ken979 View Post
    Last week it was ok when I did this routine, I felt energised when I did it but today, I feel tired
    With the best will in the world, you don't always know what's going on inside. Some days I feel energetic, then I get to the gym and have a lousy workout. Other days I feel tired, but get the the gym and have a great workout. It can be affected by how much you've recovered from your last workout, how much and what you've eaten and when, how well you slept (you can't always know the true answer to this) and probably a million and one other factors that you're not aware of and can't measure.

    There are 365 days in the year, it's naive to think that every single day will equal progression and a great workout.
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    You should know that you're one of the youngest posters in this thread.
    I'm 54 and have probably been lifting the shortest amount of time among the other posters in this thread.
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    Originally Posted by MrCarrot View Post
    With the best will in the world, you don't always know what's going on inside. Some days I feel energetic, then I get to the gym and have a lousy workout. Other days I feel tired, but get the the gym and have a great workout. It can be affected by how much you've recovered from your last workout, how much and what you've eaten and when, how well you slept (you can't always know the true answer to this) and probably a million and one other factors that you're not aware of and can't measure.

    There are 365 days in the year, it's naive to think that every single day will equal progression and a great workout.
    Thanks man, appreciate your advice.

    It goes in line with what Athlean X was saying, he also said there is a small grip machine or use a scale and grip as hard as you can and measure, the grip, if you feel weak, you need rest.

    Coachcalande was saying simmilar things as well, I just need more rest more to recover and find the sweat spot. Man, so much to learn lol

    I'm reading the Arnold book, I'm just a third in, I havn't got to the diet yet. It's taking a long time to finish lol I know I have a lot of information gap.
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    Originally Posted by paulinkansas View Post
    I'm 54 and have probably been lifting the shortest amount of time among the other posters in this thread.
    You look good man!!

    Yeah, I'm just realising most poster are older than me lol. Since reading this thread, someone pointed it out. They have teenagers muscle body. Honesty I don't even know how to navigate in this forum properly yet
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    Originally Posted by ken979 View Post
    Is seems like the routine is the problem or the exerise is the problem or the excuse?

    I see there is a mindset problem as well

    In fact there is a lot of problems.

    How do I change all this?

    Infact where should I start, if I begin from scratch?

    If you were my trainer and Im willing to learn, what would you recommend me to do?
    Well I'd make a bad trainer since I'm somewhat blunt and not a good motivator. But that aside...

    I think you have to change your general attitude towards working out, which seems to be that you're going to give it a shot but most likely will quit. That's a recipe for failure evidenced by your join date of 2007 but 3 weeks of working out. Consistency, discipline and time will be what works in the end. Buy that equipment, or join that gym - don't set yourself up to fail.

    See the stickies in this Workout forum for examples of proper programs with weights. See the stickies in the Nutrition forum so you can eat towards whatever your body goals are.

    If no gym or weights, read this: https://www.strongerbyscience.com/no-gym/
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    Originally Posted by ken979 View Post
    Coachcalande was saying simmilar things as well, I just need more rest more to recover and find the sweat spot. Man, so much to learn lol
    No. You do not need more rest if your entire workout for one day consists of 20 regular push-ups and 18 push-ups on knees. You need a proper routine and getting started.
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    Originally Posted by ken979 View Post
    You look good man!!

    Yeah, I'm just realising most poster are older than me lol. Since reading this thread, someone pointed it out. They have teenagers muscle body. Honesty I don't even know how to navigate in this forum properly yet
    Enjoy the process.

    You’re stepping on the gain train…next stop is Bulklahoma.

    Get on YouTube and learn. Have fun.
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    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    Well I'd make a bad trainer since I'm somewhat blunt and not a good motivator. But that aside...

    I think you have to change your general attitude towards working out, which seems to be that you're going to give it a shot but most likely will quit. That's a recipe for failure evidenced by your join date of 2007 but 3 weeks of working out. Consistency, discipline and time will be what works in the end. Buy that equipment, or join that gym - don't set yourself up to fail.

    See the stickies in this Workout forum for examples of proper programs with weights. See the stickies in the Nutrition forum so you can eat towards whatever your body goals are.
    Yeah, I think it's my mindset. This time round, I shouldn't quit like I did 2007. Keep working on it and improving and never give up. That's why it didn't work back then, I was weak minded.

    I'm going to read the stuff you recommended me, I know it's going to be good

    Appreciate the links
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    Originally Posted by CommitmentRulz View Post
    No. You do not need more rest if your entire workout for one day consists of 20 regular push-ups and 18 push-ups on knees. You need a proper routine and getting started.
    Air2fakie recommended me some links to read through, with some routine. I will check it out
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    Originally Posted by coachcalande View Post
    Enjoy the process.

    You’re stepping on the gain train…next stop is Bulklahoma.

    Get on YouTube and learn. Have fun.
    Thanks man
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