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    T-Gender debate again, now olympics

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-57549653

    Sure to open up more (typically unproductive) debate on the issue, but the 2021 (2020?) Olympics has its first transgender athlete. Although having passed through male puberty, while T levels are maintained below a threshold, Laurel Hubbard is entitled to compete in Women's Weightlifting 87Kg
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    Originally Posted by OldFartTom View Post
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-57549653

    Sure to open up more (typically unproductive) debate on the issue, but the 2021 (2020?) Olympics has its first transgender athlete. Although having passed through male puberty, while T levels are maintained below a threshold, Laurel Hubbard is entitled to compete in Women's Weightlifting 87Kg
    Yeah, he's in the picture in this 2019 article: https://www.t-nation.com/alpha-life/...womens-sports/
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    Trannys need their own catagory, compete against each other.
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    Originally Posted by mtpockets View Post
    Trannys need their own catagory, compete against each other.
    Absolutely.
    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

    It's easy to not be afraid of tigers when you're sitting in your living room watching a television program about tigers. When you're in the jungle where the tigers are, it's quite a different story.
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    Originally Posted by mtpockets View Post
    Trannys need their own catagory, compete against each other.
    I've thought that in the past, but one problem is that the transgender categories in each sport could be so small that there may be only 1 or 2 people showing up. IMO, there is no workable solution that is going to make everyone happy, so I think trans athletes should just compete against men. Sure, they will be at a disadvantage, but it seems like a better solution than putting every single female competitor at a disadvantage, and it still allows trans athletes to compete.
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    Originally Posted by Karl_Hungus View Post
    I've thought that in the past, but one problem is that the transgender categories in each sport could be so small that there may be only 1 or 2 people showing up. IMO, there is no workable solution that is going to make everyone happy, so I think trans athletes should just compete against men. Sure, they will be at a disadvantage, but it seems like a better solution than putting every single female competitor at a disadvantage, and it still allows trans athletes to compete.
    Agree. There isn't going to be a good solution and that is probably the least bad option. It disadvantages the least number of people
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    When a bunch of just south of elite but hyper competitive men "decide" to be trans to compete as a team and dominate a sport, the ridiculousness of this will become apparent.
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    Originally Posted by Karl_Hungus View Post
    I've thought that in the past, but one problem is that the transgender categories in each sport could be so small that there may be only 1 or 2 people showing up. IMO, there is no workable solution that is going to make everyone happy, so I think trans athletes should just compete against men. Sure, they will be at a disadvantage, but it seems like a better solution than putting every single female competitor at a disadvantage, and it still allows trans athletes to compete.
    I agree with this. Another reason to support this is that trans genders can have up to 5X the test levels of any woman competing and allowed to compete. That would be levels similar to males.

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    Originally Posted by Payton1221 View Post
    When a bunch of just south of elite but hyper competitive men "decide" to be trans to compete as a team and dominate a sport, the ridiculousness of this will become apparent.
    Real women will start to quit.
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    Originally Posted by Payton1221 View Post
    When a bunch of just south of elite but hyper competitive men "decide" to be trans to compete as a team and dominate a sport
    Common misconception. Just think about what you're saying. When people realize they want gender reassignment they're usually kids, then they go through a decade of people fighting it, then a few years of nasty medical stuff. You can't just decide you're going to compete as a woman because you can't make it as a man and honestly what Olympic athlete would go to that level?

    Not saying I support this T person competing in this sport, but the whole "OK I'll just compete as a Woman instead" is BS.
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    Real women will start to quit.
    But that hasn't and won't happen though, to both of these scenarios
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    Not saying I support this T person competing in this sport, but the whole "OK I'll just compete as a Woman instead" is BS.
    Who says they gotta claim to be trans? Just identify as a woman now, the liberals have been sanctioning that $hit for sometime now.
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    Originally Posted by aaaahajahaa View Post
    But that hasn't and won't happen though, to both of these scenarios
    Welcome to the forums.
    Non-T women are definitely concerned all over sport. They are at a disadvantage that is insurmountable in many sports. Go ahead and google it and you'll see non-T women everywhere who have worked their whole lives to get a scholarship or become elite in their sport being beaten by a Transgender female.

    As mentioned above, there is no good answer that will make everyone happy.
    I've seen Transgender males have the courage to compete which is impressive.
    I'd support either all Transgender females competing with men or a separate category - despite the genuine drawbacks.
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    The sport of weightlifting has been tainted as is, it won’t surprise me if most of the females have grown a penis, so what fuking cares? Plus he is 43 from New Zealand so he ain’t taking away anything from a high schooler looking for scholarships.

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    The sport of weightlifting has been tainted as is, it won’t surprise me if most of the females have grown a penis
    I disagree. Women weightlifting has a collection of spectacular athletes who are also beautiful women. Like kind of women you can identify as women, no mistakes there. Not only that, but they take podiums and beat the sheat out of bearded ones. The only thing about transgender types is that hopefully there will not be too many of them to ruin the sport. This is a beautiful sport.
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    I disagree. Women weightlifting has a collection of spectacular athletes who are also beautiful women. Like kind of women you can identify as women, no mistakes there. Not only that, but they take podiums and beat the sheat out of bearded ones. The only thing about transgender types is that hopefully there will not be too many of them to ruin the sport. This is a beautiful sport.
    LOL, weightlifting at the Olympic level is and has been rampant with drug use, both men and women even you think they are attractive.

    An analogy of this situation is like a pro female B.B. contest juiced to the gills and some natty male tries to compete as a women.

    .....only in this scenario there are weight classes in which this guy looks like a heavy weight to me? The petite ladies aren’t getting dominated by him, and they use PEDs too.
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    But that hasn't and won't happen though, to both of these scenarios
    As if you're keeping those statistics. You don't know the lifelong work real women go through to be at the top of their game and then to be trounced by a man.

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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    As if you're keeping those statistics. You don't know the lifelong work real women go through to be at the top of their game and then to be trounced by a man.

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    Couldn't agree more. It's just an unfair advantage. Men have the infrastructure all their lives, plus the requirements are ridiculous. The T-Gender athletes are allowed to have around 5-10x the T-levels of any female competitor. That alone is a huge advantage.

    Not to mention the muscle that they have retained all their lives of being a man.
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    Originally Posted by Payton1221 View Post
    When a bunch of just south of elite but hyper competitive men "decide" to be trans to compete as a team and dominate a sport, the ridiculousness of this will become apparent.
    And if people don't think countries who are so determined to win won't make these kind of transformations mandatory for their athletes, they are dead wrong.

    Athlete A, B, and C of Country X make the men's team. Athletes D, E, and F were close but didn't make it. Athletes D, E, and F are better than all of the other women athletes. Country X could give two flying effs about human rights. Athletes D, E, and F are forced to become women and compete for the glory of their country.
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    Originally Posted by OldFartTom View Post
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-57549653

    Sure to open up more (typically unproductive) debate on the issue, but the 2021 (2020?) Olympics has its first transgender athlete. Although having passed through male puberty, while T levels are maintained below a threshold, Laurel Hubbard is entitled to compete in Women's Weightlifting 87Kg
    Laurel Hubbard's best snatch in competition is already 1kg away from the current world record for +87kg women lifters.
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    Originally Posted by GrouchyUSMC View Post
    Laurel Hubbard's best snatch in competition is already 1kg away from the current world record for +87kg women lifters.
    If people want to asterisk Barry Bonds HR record, then Laurel Hubbard needs one too.
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    Originally Posted by 2nd_chance View Post
    I will turn off the olympics and never watch again.

    Just getting around to this? The games have always been run on politics, I’ve NEVER watched one, besides a lifting clip here and there on YouTube from 1996 (those were the lifters I was familiar with, particularly Stefan Botev).
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    Originally Posted by GrouchyUSMC View Post
    Laurel Hubbard's snatch
    What???
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    Why are real female athletes not speaking up and trying to stop this?

    This is going to be the end of women's sports.
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