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    Pioneer prime cut vs Best belt Athlete?

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    I want to buy a new belt and I'm choosing between 10mm thick 4" belts: Pioneer cut vs Best belt athlete. Which one is better?

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    I just got a 10mm Pioneer belt with the new adjustable lever. I like it alot and would recommend it.
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    Originally Posted by maansmit View Post
    I just got a 10mm Pioneer belt with the new adjustable lever. I like it alot and would recommend it.
    Thanks mate. I remember cmarti saying most people should buy a single prong belt, would you know why?

    Would you know how pioneer compares to best belts?
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    Originally Posted by Fitsy View Post
    Thanks mate. I remember cmarti saying most people should buy a single prong belt, would you know why?

    Would you know how pioneer compares to best belts?
    Prong belt is much easier to adjust. Lever belt you have to unscrew the lever and fit it into different holes. Bodyweight changes daily, and some days when you're bloated it's hard to fit the same hole. Also might wear belt at different holes for diff. lifts.

    I don't know much about Best but Pioneer is great quality.
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    Originally Posted by ECGordyn View Post
    Prong belt is much easier to adjust. Lever belt you have to unscrew the lever and fit it into different holes. Bodyweight changes daily, and some days when you're bloated it's hard to fit the same hole. Also might wear belt at different holes for diff. lifts.

    I don't know much about Best but Pioneer is great quality.
    The PAL from Pioneer largely eliminates that. I have the pioneer cut and a single prong from Pioneer. Both are great. I just got a Belt Fed Strength belt though with the PAL and I’m not sure I’ll use any other belts from now on. His level of customization is unmatched as far as I can tell. All hand pressed and hand painted. Amazing craftsmanship and quality.
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    I had Pioneer make a single-prong belt for my teenaged son with custom stitching, his name embroidered on the back (less likely to "walk away" in the school gym) and the "Pioneer cut"--1/2" hole spacing. The whole transaction was great. The price was very reasonable, it took just a couple of weeks, the workmanship is great, and the 1/2" spacing is a game-changer, IMO, compared to the 1" standard, such as the Inzer belt I have. Makes me feel stupid that I never thought of 1/2" spacing....

    I don't know anything about the other company the OP is asking about.
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    The PAL lever is fantastic. I don't see any need for any other belt personally but the Pioneer cut single prong is very nice and I wouldn't be disappointed if that was my only choice. I just love that lever flip.
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    Thanks heaps guys! I'll choose Pioneer because of overwhelming positive feedback.

    I'm actually thinking of getting it with PAL lever. Is PAL lever as easy to adjust as single prong? Any disadvantages of PAL over single prong?
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    Originally Posted by GamecockLifter View Post
    The PAL from Pioneer largely eliminates that. I have the pioneer cut and a single prong from Pioneer. Both are great. I just got a Belt Fed Strength belt though with the PAL and I’m not sure I’ll use any other belts from now on. His level of customization is unmatched as far as I can tell. All hand pressed and hand painted. Amazing craftsmanship and quality.
    Thanks mate.

    I'm actually thinking of getting it with PAL lever. Is PAL lever as easy to adjust as single prong? Any disadvantages of PAL over single prong?
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    Originally Posted by Fitsy View Post
    Thanks heaps guys! I'll choose Pioneer because of overwhelming positive feedback.

    I'm actually thinking of getting it with PAL lever. Is PAL lever as easy to adjust as single prong? Any disadvantages of PAL over single prong?
    Single prong has fewer and simpler moving parts, which in my mind equals fewer potential problems. I've never used a lever belt, so let others who've used them a lot give you a more fair comparison. PAL lever looks easier to adjust than prong.
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    Ok, after more research I've decided to go with pioneer PAL belt, 4" high. The only other thing i need to decide is 10mm vs 13mm. Which one would be more suitable? I weigh just over 180lbs and i am still very weak on big lifts.
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    Originally Posted by Fitsy View Post
    Ok, after more research I've decided to go with pioneer PAL belt, 4" high. The only other thing i need to decide is 10mm vs 13mm. Which one would be more suitable? I weigh just over 180lbs and i am still very weak on big lifts.
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    10mm would be my suggestion

    As far as adjustability, you find the right spot and set your lever there. You will then have multiple adjustments with the PAL lever but if you gain or lose a substantial amount of weight you'll need to move the lever which requires a screw driver. I have only had to do that once so it's not like it's a typical thing.
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    Originally Posted by Fitsy View Post
    Hi guys,

    I want to buy a new belt and I'm choosing between 10mm thick 4" belts: Pioneer cut vs Best belt athlete. Which one is better?

    Thanks ������
    A little late to this party.

    I've had a Best Belt Athlete for many years now (7?) and love it. My wife has the women's version and loves hers.

    For what it's worth, Mark Rippetoe used to recommend Best Belts. Don't know if he still does or not.

    I have nothing negative to say about them.

    No opinion about Pioneer belts as I've never used one, but everyone else here seems to think they are great and I have no reason to disagree.

    So basically can't go wrong with either I would think.
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    I bought second hand a Best Belt athlete double prong 10ish years ago. I do wish it was a single prong, but I’ve had no issues out of it and it still works perfectly.

    Pioneer has the best social media game in the belt business. Their quick adjust lever mechanism looks very nice.

    I wouldn’t hesitate to buy from Best Belt’s 20 year old website though.
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    Originally Posted by TunaGill View Post
    For what it's worth, Mark Rippetoe used to recommend Best Belts. Don't know if he still does or not.
    There's an official Starting Strength belt now and I don't recall the maker. He actually recommends 3" belts for most people. I tend to agree unless you are just using it to squat or are over 6' tall/long torso in which case 4" is fine. I own two Pioneer Cut belts in 3" and 4". I love them both but I'd keep the 3" if I could only have one.
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    I prefer the 3" 10mm belt that I have. I found a 4" belt could be a little uncomfortable on deadlift (would dig into the bottom of my rib cage). I am not a big guy by any stretch of the imagination (5'10" 165) so if you are taller or bigger, your results may vary.
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    Is it possible to get the Pioneer PAL with a belt? Googling just shows me the lever by itself, and since I only have a rogue single prong, it seems an unnecessary expense to buy a new belt with two new buckles.
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    You used to be able to buy it separately but it wouldn't work on a single prong belt
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