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    I've been lifting on and off for around 9 years, and I've seen all kinds of products and supplements. Protein powder, pre-workout, post-workout, pills, gels, energy powder, etc. All these supplements, some of them of dubious regulatory loophole status, promising miraculous gains and all sorts of special shortcuts. Shiny packaging, badass-looking marketing, the whole shebang.

    Eventually, I realized that you can source your nutrients from normal food. I don't need some magic powder with a slick logo to gain muscle or to get in better shape. In a way, all these products seem to revolve the mentality of juicing but legally and halfway. The regulatory loophole also opens the door for questionable drug dealing marketing tactics. Everyone wants a shortcut or a magic trick to give them the advantage, but the truth is often difficult and boring.

    I think it starts with the protein powder. It's convenient and often tastes delicious, and I've had a ton of it. It's not really dangerous or prohibitively expensive, but I don't think it's really necessary. I've replaced the protein powder with beans. Beans are delicious, very rich in protein, and can be incorporated into a normal meal. Of course there are more protein rich foods like meat and other plants, but I make gains with beans. Bean gains.

    Is there anyone else here that has foregone the standard buffet of workout supplements in favor of nutritious foods? Do you think nutritious foods lack something essential found in dietary supplements? Interested to hear your thoughts and experiences. Thanks.
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    If I'm short of time I just eat raw beef. Not hamburger, but steak. I do not recommend that anyone else to do this unless you accustom your digestive system for this. I left out my dinner of salmon or steak for four nights in a row and had it for breakfast for the next four mornings with no ill effects.
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    I too succumbed to Joe Weider and the like for several years. I started working out about 33 years ago and believed everything i read in Flex and Muscle & Fitness. Eventually i realized that people have been getting nutrients from food for thousands of years. I haven’t taken any supplements for many years, no difference.

    Here is my theory on a subconscious reason people fall for all the supplements. People like to have excuses for failure. If they believe they need all these supplements, then when they fail due to lack of consistency or effort, they can say “well, i guess those supplements aren’t working. Guess I need a new protein powder and add on some <insert overpriced supplement here>”. All while putting in 50% effort and following some crappy routine that “some buff guy” on facebookgram told them to
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    Originally Posted by BeanGainClovis View Post
    Beans are delicious, very rich in protein, and can be incorporated into a normal meal. Of course there are more protein rich foods like meat and other plants, but I make gains with beans. Bean gains.
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    Originally Posted by paulinkansas View Post
    If I'm short of time I just eat raw beef. Not hamburger, but steak. I do not recommend that anyone else to do this unless you accustom your digestive system for this. I left out my dinner of salmon or steak for four nights in a row and had it for breakfast for the next four mornings with no ill effects.
    I have not had raw beef but I will look into that. I know that there is a risk of bacterial infection in some cases, but that higher quality cuts like steak can be safer than ground beef.

    Originally Posted by desslok View Post
    I too succumbed to Joe Weider and the like for several years. I started working out about 33 years ago and believed everything i read in Flex and Muscle & Fitness. Eventually i realized that people have been getting nutrients from food for thousands of years. I haven’t taken any supplements for many years, no difference.

    Here is my theory on a subconscious reason people fall for all the supplements. People like to have excuses for failure. If they believe they need all these supplements, then when they fail due to lack of consistency or effort, they can say “well, i guess those supplements aren’t working. Guess I need a new protein powder and add on some <insert overpriced supplement here>”. All while putting in 50% effort and following some crappy routine that “some buff guy” on facebookgram told them to
    That is exactly the information I was looking for, I was wondering where this all started. It has become a very profitable industry, and dietary supplements don't need FDA approval to be sold. The government's position is caveat emptor, and some companies have exploited this loophole to literally sell drugs. Things like kratom and stimulant workout powder are sold through this exception.

    I don't think protein powder is a drug, but I think you give a good explanation for the success of these supplements. I think it's really the culture of consumerism. Your lifestyle, identity, and even goals are shaped by the things you buy. If you lift, then you gotta have a bigass tub of protein powder. I think it's a convenient source of protein but not entirely necessary to make gains.

    Combine all this with social media and you have these online figures that people try to emulate and follow, but really they are just marketing a product.

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    Originally Posted by BeanGainClovis View Post
    I have not had raw beef but I will look into that. I know that there is a risk of bacterial infection in some cases, but that higher quality cuts like steak can be safer than ground beef
    It's not something you just want to jump in to. You have to acclimate your digestive system into eating things that most normal people don't eat. I think I'm a normal person but most people I know tell me likewise. It's probably the by product of having 2 parents as medical doctors.
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    I haven’t used whey in years, haven’t used preworkout in a decade

    I do drink caffeine, I take calcium because osteoporosis runs on both sides of my family

    But pretty much all my nutrition comes from regular food and I don’t eat meat/seafood

    My main protein is eggs, dairy (yogurt, milk and cottage cheese), chickpeas, tofu, edamame, gluten/boca
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    Originally Posted by BeanGainClovis View Post
    I have not had raw beef but I will look into that. I know that there is a risk of bacterial infection in some cases, but that higher quality cuts like steak can be safer than ground beef.



    That is exactly the information I was looking for, I was wondering where this all started. It has become a very profitable industry, and dietary supplements don't need FDA approval to be sold. The government's position is caveat emptor, and some companies have exploited this loophole to literally sell drugs. Things like kratom and stimulant workout powder are sold through this exception.

    I don't think protein powder is a drug, but I think you give a good explanation for the success of these supplements. I think it's really the culture of consumerism. Your lifestyle, identity, and even goals are shaped by the things you buy. If you lift, then you gotta have a bigass tub of protein powder. I think it's a convenient source of protein but not entirely necessary to make gains.

    Combine all this with social media and you have these online figures that people try to emulate and follow, but really they are just marketing a product.



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    never eat raw hamburger meat from a store. My dads a doctor too and he won’t even recommend raw meat for pets. I mean sushi grade fish ok and beef tartare but I wouldn’t go to kroger and toss their raw beef on your plate.
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    Originally Posted by paulinkansas View Post
    If I'm short of time I just eat raw beef. Not hamburger, but steak. I do not recommend that anyone else to do this unless you accustom your digestive system for this. I left out my dinner of salmon or steak for four nights in a row and had it for breakfast for the next four mornings with no ill effects.
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    I think variety is important.

    I eat beans as well as plenty of other things but you have to be aware that they are not well digested - that's why many people get gas and bloating. Many plants don't want to be eaten just like animals (at least no by the wrong species) so they have their ways of fighting back. This is manageable if you don't eat too much of one thing (e.g. lactose in milk is another example). Perhaps you digest them OK in larger amounts but not everyone is going to be the same.

    The bioavailability and amino completeness score for beans is inferior to whey. Rather than viewing protein powder as some kind of borderline drug, I prefer to take the view that whey is just a processed dairy product (which it is) and is both fine and useful in moderate amounts as part of an overall balanced diet. Food processing is not automatically a bad thing. Human civilisation was built on food processing technologies. Don't fall for that naturalistic fallacy - as I alluded to earlier, nature is not always your friend.
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