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    Over 50 guys GTFIH!

    Question for the older trainers on this site (you young bucks have no business here so stay the fck out ) when did you start noticing that building is taking longer than normal?

    For me it has been since I hit 55 -56, I know it sounds crazy because, hell what's the difference between 50, 51, 52, 53 54, and 55 -56, right? But as crazy at it might sound I was still recovering and building muscle up until 55. Now I am not sure if my depression, then Covid quarantine then actually getting Covid had any part in this, but for sure I have been finding it more difficult to recover and build in the last 2 years than I ever have.

    Now I know aging is inevitable and we can't continue building muscle, but I also know that it is not impossible. There are a lot of dudes out there with great builds in their 60's and in their 70's. Hell I belong to an Over 50 group in FB and the builds these guys (in this 60's 70's) display are amazing and very inspiring.

    So let me ask you, for you older guys when did you start noticing sh!t is different now?
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    I can't possibly be the only over 50 guy here experiencing this, if this is the case, I might just as well end it all
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    I'm not fifty yet lol.
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    I'm not fifty yet lol.
    And you are not a guy so GTFOH!!

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    Johnny Bronx Bodyhard, there are too many factors to conclude progress is slowing. Where strength and then looking better used to be my goals, it is looking better and then strength.

    Not telling you what to do, but you have had ups and downs and periods where you couldn't train to the max, so it's hard to say that building is taking longer without a good 6 months of non-stop hard training - IMHO.

    BTW, is this a Puerto Rican Supremacy thread?

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    Originally Posted by bodyhard View Post
    Now I am not sure if my depression, then Covid quarantine then actually getting Covid had any part in this, but for sure I have been finding it more difficult to recover and build in the last 2 years than I ever have.
    In 15 years of lifting nothing set me back as bad as the Covid quarantine. It's not just the gyms being closed, I have enough equipment to have maintained at least. Even now my lifting is hit or miss with looking forward to choking through a sweatsoaked mask for an hour a day.
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    1) I can’t say anything about at what age gains slow down, since I didn’t start lifting seriously until age 59. When I did knock around with lifting in my 20s and 30s I only needed one day off to recover. Now I do a four-day split so I have plenty of recovery time.

    2) Even if gains and recovery slow down, continuing to lift absolutely beats the alternative! (being unable to lift due to circumstances, or just giving up)
    At age 62, I've exceeded all my prior PRs. Not “over the hill” yet. :)

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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    Johnny Bronx Bodyhard, there are too many factors to conclude progress is slowing. Where strength and then looking better used to be my goals, it is looking better and then strength.

    Not telling you what to do, but you have had ups and downs and periods where you couldn't train to the max, so it's hard to say that building is taking longer without a good 6 months of non-stop hard training - IMHO.

    BTW, is this a Puerto Rican Supremacy thread?

    True, let me revisit this statement after I have a year under my belt.

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    In 15 years of lifting nothing set me back as bad as the Covid quarantine. It's not just the gyms being closed, I have enough equipment to have maintained at least. Even now my lifting is hit or miss with looking forward to choking through a sweatsoaked mask for an hour a day.
    I hear ya...

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    1) I can’t say anything about at what age gains slow down, since I didn’t start lifting seriously until age 59. When I did knock around with lifting in my 20s and 30s I only needed one day off to recover. Now I do a four-day split so I have plenty of recovery time.

    2) Even if gains and recovery slow down, continuing to lift absolutely beats the alternative! (being unable to lift due to circumstances, or just giving up)
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    I can't possibly be the only over 50 guy here experiencing this, if this is the case, I might just as well end it all
    You're not, over the past 5 years things have got tougher. A lot of old injuries have come back to bite me on the a$$, I've had to learn to adapt and train around them, way more machine work than I'd like, but my shoulders, hips and knees are in pretty bad shape.

    TBH in my case it's just about maintenance now, as a natty lifter I doubt I could make much progress anyhow, after 44 years of lifting I think I reached my Zenith some time ago.
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    Originally Posted by gym62richard View Post
    You're not, over the past 5 years things have got tougher. A lot of old injuries have come back to bite me on the a$$, I've had to learn to adapt and train around them, way more machine work than I'd like, but my shoulders, hips and knees are in pretty bad shape.

    TBH in my case it's just about maintenance now, as a natty lifter I doubt I could make much progress anyhow, after 44 years of lifting I think I reached my Zenith some time ago.
    I hear ya man, I haven't gotten to the "machine stage" yet as I don't have any joint issues (aside from a shoulder injury I sustained from a car accident years ago) but I like you have been training for many years and am exited just to add a little muscle here and there

    Ohh forgot to mention, also now have an L4/L5 bulging disc, but according to the doctors I have had it for 15 years, it just never caused pain.
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    I've come to the realization a couple years ago that for the most part, I need to be content with just maintaining what I have. It does me no good to train harder at my age because it just sets me back with injuries and the inability to recover properly. It's more important than ever now to train within myself so I can stay in the game. When I take a look around the gym I'm not seeing too many 55 yr olds in there and the few I see aren't in nearly as good of condition as I am. 95% of the people I am in the gym with are young enough to be my kids. I feel very fortunate now to be able to be in the gym 6 days a week doing something. Although I still would rather lift than do cardio, I'm getting much more satisfaction from making improvements in my cardio conditioning.
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    I'm 52, not as strong as I used to be 5 years ago. I use a lot of kettlebells used to be able to military press double 70 lb. for reps. Might get one now. I was doing sets of 2 squats and presses with 55's yesterday and my shoulders were sore.

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    Originally Posted by Fishman15 View Post
    I need to be content
    I'm not sure how I feel about this sentiment.

    As an example I used to do heavy weighted pullups, but with my elbows that's a no go these days. I've found that I can do assisted pullups and go super slow and still destroy my lats by concentrating on the muscles doing the pulling.

    That's just my experience.

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    Things were a whole lot better just 2-3 years ago. Had an injury and was out of the gym for a while. After that it took a couple years for me to get back in the swing of things last January. Then 2 months later covid hit and gyms closed.

    Just got around to signing back up at my gym the other day. Hoping to get back to where I was and then some but at almost 54 I think that might be harder than it was before.
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    Originally Posted by sakustoms View Post
    Things were a whole lot better just 2-3 years ago. Had an injury and was out of the gym for a while. After that it took a couple years for me to get back in the swing of things last January. Then 2 months later covid hit and gyms closed.

    Just got around to signing back up at my gym the other day. Hoping to get back to where I was and then some but at almost 54 I think that might be harder than it was before.
    Its definitely harder but not impossible, just keep grinding brotha!!
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    I have too many dirt biking injuries to really progress , so I just do the best I can .
    Almost to embarrassing to even talk about deadlift and squat , but I have to keep them at 135 pounds max , so I do a lot of sets .
    Still better than nothing imo .

    Bench is strong for a 60 yo I think (still Repping 225) , and back isn’t too terrible. I swear I heal faster with my protein shakes , but I can’t digest whey protein very well , so I have to stay away from them most of the time unfortunately .
    Next biggest issue is tendonitis. Started when I was 47 ,and will never go away . Funny thing is I never knew what it was or really heard of tendonitis till it happened. It could have been avoided if I stuck with dumbbells on benchpress instead of a barbell , but I get bored with dumbbells and can’t really progress as well .
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    Its definitely harder but not impossible, just keep grinding brotha!!
    Monday starts a whole new grind for me. Not just working out but cleaning up my eating. I've had the Covid mentality that it doesn't matter what/how I eat I just want what I want.

    Now I realize that was no good and I am trying to clean things up and get back on track.
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    Originally Posted by MajorTendonitis View Post
    I have too many dirt biking injuries to really progress , so I just do the best I can .
    Almost to embarrassing to even talk about deadlift and squat , but I have to keep them at 135 pounds max , so I do a lot of sets .
    Still better than nothing imo .

    Bench is strong for a 60 yo I think (still Repping 225) , and back isn’t too terrible. I swear I heal faster with my protein shakes , but I can’t digest whey protein very well , so I have to stay away from them most of the time unfortunately .
    Next biggest issue is tendonitis. Started when I was 47 ,and will never go away . Funny thing is I never knew what it was or really heard of tendonitis till it happened. It could have been avoided if I stuck with dumbbells on benchpress instead of a barbell , but I get bored with dumbbells and can’t really progress as well .
    Such is life for an oldcel lol
    I'm right there with you on DB benching. Both shoulders are screwed up and being locked into a certain position with barbell bench just makes them worse.

    I found if I pushed myself I made just as much or more progress benching DBs as I did with barbell. I'll never lift dumbbells heavy enough to total my old BB bench numbers but as long as we progress that isn't an issue.
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    So let me ask you, for you older guys when did you start noticing sh!t is different now?
    I am a bit younger than you, John, but been noticing difference for quite some time, perhaps in mid 40’s. I believe it can be offset by training itself. I had a plan, simple one, to beat my own self at each round date. Like benching or curling (everything really) heavier at 45 than what I was at 40, and so on. So far I managed that, but might be flattening the progression for my 55 BD. Which is a year from now. There are a few things in a mix though. One, I don’t change the way I train, and honestly don’t believe we need to train differently as we mature. Secondly, slower recovery is a myth, I am convinced this is something that can be reversed. Hear this, as soon as you give your body more time to recover, it responds with slower recovery. I know that since my experiments with training twice a day, and shortening recovery periods to 36 hours. Lower energy level, that most if not all older folks complain about, can be reversed. It is pain, but doable. Mitochondria density will increase if you join boxing gym and go for 2-hour long gruelling workouts, 5 days a week. It will bring you on edge and might spike your depression for some time. But you will get out of this like new. Two months and you can ride the effect for a few years after. Three, we can’t progress indefinitely, so maybe what you notice with age is simply a natural peak? And lastly. I wondered to the dark side at some point, briefly, and realize I can’t possibly match that level of muscle mass and physique, which is a bit disheartening. With internet bs and hypocrisy so fkn widespread, you never know who is cheating, and this is probably whats bugging you. You meat ppl in real world, the ones you’ve seen online and admired, only to find out they are no bigger or shredder. I am sure you had this experience. My biggest eye opener was Greek section in Louvre in Paris. I realized we are Greek Gods already, every gym even in most backward town is full of amazing physiques. Where I am going with this, John, enjoy your greatness.
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    I think I have mentioned this before but I really think cortisol management is our biggest problem as we get older.

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    Bone broth soup.
    Due to the L-glutamine?
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    Originally Posted by keyboardworkout View Post
    Due to the L-glutamine?
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    Any person who doesn't acknowledge that age negatively affects all of us both mentally and physically is not being honest. It may be that injuries become more frequent, recovery takes longer, mass doesn't stay, skin changes affect the aesthetic, whatever.

    I have preached on here since my late forties and early 50's that I have had to revise my movements to accommodate my training to hit the muscle while avoiding injury. I have had to adjust my loads on certain movements. I have had to abandon other movements that I did for 30 years.

    God willing, I'll still be weight training for the next decade plus. I just have to be honest and smart about it.
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    Originally Posted by KeepItMoving View Post
    Any person who doesn't acknowledge that age negatively affects all of us both mentally and physically is not being honest. It may be that injuries become more frequent, recovery takes longer, mass doesn't stay, skin changes affect the aesthetic, whatever.

    I have preached on here since my late forties and early 50's that I have had to revise my movements to accommodate my training to hit the muscle while avoiding injury. I have had to adjust my loads on certain movements. I have had to abandon other movements that I did for 30 years.

    God willing, I'll still be weight training for the next decade plus. I just have to be honest and smart about it.
    Very true. I have changed up a lot of what I do and how over the past couple years before I took time off. Now I'm just hoping to put on most of the size I had last time but have to be careful that I don't screw up what's already hurting. I have a hard time of starting off slow and low and try to jump right back to where I left off on my lifts. The past couple days have been fun trying to wash in the shower. lol

    Today was my first leg day in over a year and I played it smart and went light and far less sets. I like being able to walk.
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    Originally Posted by KeepItMoving View Post
    Any person who doesn't acknowledge that age negatively affects all of us both mentally and physically is not being honest. It may be that injuries become more frequent, recovery takes longer, mass doesn't stay, skin changes affect the aesthetic, whatever.

    I have preached on here since my late forties and early 50's that I have had to revise my movements to accommodate my training to hit the muscle while avoiding injury. I have had to adjust my loads on certain movements. I have had to abandon other movements that I did for 30 years.

    God willing, I'll still be weight training for the next decade plus. I just have to be honest and smart about it.
    You sir in my opinion are spot on, I was wanting to post in this thread and read your response and agree totally.

    I do a lot more volume training now with 12-15 reps, no more Heavy bench press, no more heavy squats, no dead lifting period. I feel that by doing them younger I built a base that I’m able to build on now that I’m older. But by doing them is why I have 5 anchors in my shoulder, bulging and herniated disks in back and had the nerves Burnt off in lower back As well as almost all joints wrecked with osteoarthritis.
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    Originally Posted by KeepItMoving View Post
    Any person who doesn't acknowledge that age negatively affects all of us both mentally and physically is not being honest. It may be that injuries become more frequent, recovery takes longer, mass doesn't stay, skin changes affect the aesthetic, whatever.

    I have preached on here since my late forties and early 50's that I have had to revise my movements to accommodate my training to hit the muscle while avoiding injury. I have had to adjust my loads on certain movements. I have had to abandon other movements that I did for 30 years.

    God willing, I'll still be weight training for the next decade plus. I just have to be honest and smart about it.
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