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    Jake Paul v Ben Askren (SPOILER: Jake Paul wins)

    I don’t see how Jake Paul loses unless he has absolute chit tier cardio.
    Does anyone really believe Ben Askren will win, just because he used to be an amazing wrestler?

    Jake Paul is younger, bigger,
    stronger, faster and is a way better boxer. Ben Askrens only chance is for Jake Paul to gas, imo.

    Jake Paul is gonna be $$$.
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    I got Askren. Paul will gas out. If he can take a punch from Robbie Lawler he can take a youtubers punch. Also, Askren looks ass when hitting the punching bag, but I think he’s doing that on purpose
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    Askren will win because of his extensive combat experience - 4x NCAA AA, 2x National Champion, Olympian, 2X champ in Bellator and OneFC - basically mental toughness. As Chael said, Askren isn't coming to box. We know he is an inferior boxer to Paul. But he is a much superior competitor.
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    Originally Posted by Brosnbroccoli View Post
    I don’t see how Jake Paul loses unless he has absolute chit tier cardio.
    Does anyone really believe Ben Askren will win, just because he used to be an amazing wrestler?

    Jake Paul is younger, bigger,
    stronger, faster and is a way better boxer. Ben Askrens only chance is for Jake Paul to gas, imo.

    Jake Paul is gonna be $$$.
    Ben will win. Jake is out of his league.
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    Originally Posted by Droopdx View Post
    I got Askren. Paul will gas out. If he can take a punch from Robbie Lawler he can take a youtubers punch. Also, Askren looks ass when hitting the punching bag, but I think he’s doing that on purpose
    Agreed he’s looking worse on purpose, because everyone is a champ on the pads, so even if he’s terrible, he’s not THAT terrible.

    Everyone ITT thinks Jake Paul is a better boxer, and it’s clear he’s younger, bigger, stronger and faster as well... yet you all believe Jake Paul will lose.
    I agree that cardio could become a real issue, but if that’s the only thing, it’s not enough to justify picking Ben Askren, imo...

    I think the ref for sure is going to try and keep this fight as clean as possible.

    Seems like everyone disagrees, so maybe I should reconsider my bets LOL.
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    Originally Posted by Brosnbroccoli View Post
    Agreed he’s looking worse on purpose, because everyone is a champ on the pads, so even if he’s terrible, he’s not THAT terrible.

    Everyone ITT thinks Jake Paul is a better boxer, and it’s clear he’s younger, bigger, stronger and faster as well... yet you all believe Jake Paul will lose.
    I agree that cardio could become a real issue, but if that’s the only thing, it’s not enough to justify picking Ben Askren, imo...

    I think the ref for sure is going to try and keep this fight as clean as possible.

    Seems like everyone disagrees, so maybe I should reconsider my bets LOL.
    Askren is going to knock his ass down with a body shot.
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    no way paul loses. most likely a draw for a runback. he can't lose, these dudes bring in the teens to watch and make money.

    also, ben is aware. just playing along.
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    Originally Posted by thatsnarf View Post
    no way paul loses. most likely a draw for a runback. he can't lose, these dudes bring in the teens to watch and make money.

    also, ben is aware. just playing along.
    Maybe. He’s embarrassed after that masvidal knockout, I think he’ll take it seriously
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    Originally Posted by Droopdx View Post
    Maybe. He’s embarrassed after that masvidal knockout, I think he’ll take it seriously
    ben will never live that down. beating paul will mean nothing. he's just getting paid. also, ben seems like the guy to not even care what ppl think. it's just easy money.
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    Originally Posted by swolefnatic View Post
    Askren will win because of his extensive combat experience - 4x NCAA AA, 2x National Champion, Olympian, 2X champ in Bellator and OneFC - basically mental toughness. As Chael said, Askren isn't coming to box. We know he is an inferior boxer to Paul. [/b]But he is a much superior competitor.[/b]
    That's what I think as well.

    Fighters that get to Askren's level aren't only there because they're good fighters, they're also really tough.
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    Watched some body language dude analyzing the press conference between the two.

    Basically... Paul is very nervous, and Askren was sitting there like he was out to lunch enjoying himself. It was interesting.
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    Originally Posted by Firefightn24 View Post
    Watched some body language dude analyzing the press conference between the two.

    Basically... Paul is very nervous, and Askren was sitting there like he was out to lunch enjoying himself. It was interesting.
    I dont think askren has much pressure on him tbh. he even said he doesent want to be famous. this is just a nice little bonus money for him and his fam. paul has everything to lose cuz if he gets knocked out hes irrelevant in boxing and we wont see him fight again i dont think.
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    Ben Askren looked a lot better in his latest training video and cardio seems on point, maybe he was trolling us all? Punches and footwork look far better than previous videos. There's hope!




    and while his boxing fundamentals sucked in MMA, he always had underrated head movement, and he can take a punch
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    There's no way Askren doesn't win this. Unless Paul paid him off an insane amount to throw the fight (not likely) that dude is probably getting hurt
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    Originally Posted by TappingTheZen View Post
    Ben Askren looked a lot better in his latest training video and cardio seems on point, maybe he was trolling us all? Punches and footwork look far better than previous videos. There's hope!




    and while his boxing fundamentals sucked in MMA, he always had underrated head movement, and he can take a punch
    ... he’s literally telegraphing every single jab.
    A draw would suck ass, and Vegas would clean up, so who knows.

    I’m very surprised basically everyone is saying Askren more or less easily wins. Do all of you just watch MMA or what...
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    Have you actually watched jake fight? I’ve watched both fights and it’s nothing to indicate he beats anyone that’s not a gamer or a non combat crossover with zero skill. Dude was taking shots, can’t shrug off a clinch and doesn’t have enough power to keep Ben off him. This is gonna be a low and slow, clinch fight.
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    Probably paul but I'm hoping for Ben to win
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    Originally Posted by Brosnbroccoli View Post
    I don’t see how Jake Paul loses unless he has absolute chit tier cardio.
    Does anyone really believe Ben Askren will win, just because he used to be an amazing wrestler?

    Jake Paul is younger, bigger,
    stronger, faster and is a way better boxer. Ben Askrens only chance is for Jake Paul to gas, imo.

    Jake Paul is gonna be $$$.
    jake paul is a youtuber whereas ben askren is a professional fighter.Ben askren will win it for sure this time.
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    jake paul is a youtuber whereas ben askren is a professional fighter.Ben askren will win it for sure this time.
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    fukkin lul at these physiques

    Its dumb because Ben would wreck him in MMA within 20 seconds or so. But boxing I dont know... Late 30s is when your chin turns to glass. Not to mention dad bod
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    Originally Posted by Brosnbroccoli View Post
    ... he’s literally telegraphing every single jab.
    A draw would suck ass, and Vegas would clean up, so who knows.

    I’m very surprised basically everyone is saying Askren more or less easily wins. Do all of you just watch MMA or what...
    Disagree, his boxing isn't perfect but it's come across LEAGUES since his last video... i'm not sure what you reasonably expect, him to become a pro boxer overnight? He has improved by all can be reasonably expected in the time frame.

    His fundamentals here are absolutely fine, his punches are snappy even 10 minutes into a pad session and his footwork is decent. He's not going to beat a pro boxer anytime soon, but he has more than enough to beat Jake Paul. Stop comparing him to pro boxers, his pad work is fine in this video. He's boxing a youtuber, not floyd Mayweather. Have you ever boxed yourself out of curiosity, i've boxed for many years and i don't see much wrong with this pad work really.

    'Do all of you just watch MMA or what'

    The better question is, have you actually seen Jake Paul box? I was slightly worried for Askren from his last videos, but that video you just criticized put my mind at rest. He has fine fundamentals, he will NOT be KO'd by jake paul, and his cardio is a lot beter. He's not coming to box Jake Paul, he's coming to compete against Jake Paul and his game plan will reflect that. He'll most likely smother him and tire him out, using the clinch as much as he can.

    It's not impossible Jake Paul beats him since he has youth and size, but it's quite unlikely IMO.
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    Originally Posted by TappingTheZen View Post
    Disagree, his boxing isn't perfect but it's come across LEAGUES since his last video... i'm not sure what you reasonably expect, him to become a pro boxer overnight? He has improved by all can be reasonably expected in the time frame.

    His fundamentals here are absolutely fine, his punches are snappy even 10 minutes into a pad session and his footwork is decent. He's not going to beat a pro boxer anytime soon, but he has more than enough to beat Jake Paul. Stop comparing him to pro boxers, his pad work is fine in this video. He's boxing a youtuber, not floyd Mayweather. Have you ever boxed yourself out of curiosity, i've boxed for many years and i don't see much wrong with this pad work really.

    'Do all of you just watch MMA or what'

    The better question is, have you actually seen Jake Paul box? I was slightly worried for Askren from his last videos, but that video you just criticized put my mind at rest. He has fine fundamentals, he will NOT be KO'd by jake paul, and his cardio is a lot beter. He's not coming to box Jake Paul, he's coming to compete against Jake Paul and his game plan will reflect that. He'll most likely smother him and tire him out, using the clinch as much as he can.

    It's not impossible Jake Paul beats him since he has youth and size, but it's quite unlikely IMO.
    Nobody is comparing him to pro boxers. How much Ben Askren improved or which improvement could be expected is completely irrelevant - what matters is how good he is right now, and as I see it, he’s bad by ‘good/great amateur’ standards and make fundamental mistakes. Fine fundamentals for someone who trained boxing for the amount of time he has, sure, I agree. I’m surprised you have boxed for years and don’t see the flaws.
    Like I said, maybe he can tough it out and pray Jake Paul didn’t focus enough on his cardio... but that’s by far his best chance, as far as I can see. Jake Paul is a better boxer (as well as younger, bigger, faster and more powerful) and the ref will keep the fight as clean as possible, I think.
    Note: even if he doesn’t win by KO, Jake should easily win on points, unless he gasses out.
    It’s crazy to me that you seem to be giving Jake Paul a what, maybe 10% to Askrens 90% chance of winning? (“It’s not impossible, quiet unlikely”).
    Remember that there’s a reason his team picked Ben Askren, just like there’s a reason that Jake Paul is the bookmakers favorite.

    In any case, you will win some nice $$$ and other miscers will as well, if Ben Askren wins. It will be a net misc gain if that happens at least, lmao.
    I will happily eat my words if it happens - if I didn’t think Jake Paul was money, I would root for Ben Askren.
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    Originally Posted by Brosnbroccoli View Post
    Nobody is comparing him to pro boxers. How much Ben Askren improved or which improvement could be expected is completely irrelevant - what matters is how good he is right now, and as I see it, he’s bad by ‘good/great amateur’ standards and make fundamental mistakes. Fine fundamentals for someone who trained boxing for the amount of time he has, sure, I agree. I’m surprised you have boxed for years and don’t see the flaws.
    Like I said, maybe he can tough it out and pray Jake Paul didn’t focus enough on his cardio... but that’s by far his best chance, as far as I can see. Jake Paul is a better boxer (as well as younger, bigger, faster and more powerful) and the ref will keep the fight as clean as possible, I think.
    Note: even if he doesn’t win by KO, Jake should easily win on points, unless he gasses out.
    It’s crazy to me that you seem to be giving Jake Paul a what, maybe 10% to Askrens 90% chance of winning? (“It’s not impossible, quiet unlikely”).
    Remember that there’s a reason his team picked Ben Askren, just like there’s a reason that Jake Paul is the bookmakers favorite.

    In any case, you will win some nice $$$ and other miscers will as well, if Ben Askren wins. It will be a net misc gain if that happens at least, lmao.
    I will happily eat my words if it happens - if I didn’t think Jake Paul was money, I would root for Ben Askren.

    Tldr but he’s not telegraphing his punches by any means lol and like the other dude said he’s fighting a Youtuber not Canelo
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    Originally Posted by Brosnbroccoli View Post
    Nobody is comparing him to pro boxers. How much Ben Askren improved or which improvement could be expected is completely irrelevant - what matters is how good he is right now, and as I see it, he’s bad by ‘good/great amateur’ standards and make fundamental mistakes. Fine fundamentals for someone who trained boxing for the amount of time he has, sure, I agree. I’m surprised you have boxed for years and don’t see the flaws.
    Like I said, maybe he can tough it out and pray Jake Paul didn’t focus enough on his cardio... but that’s by far his best chance, as far as I can see. Jake Paul is a better boxer (as well as younger, bigger, faster and more powerful) and the ref will keep the fight as clean as possible, I think.
    Note: even if he doesn’t win by KO, Jake should easily win on points, unless he gasses out.
    It’s crazy to me that you seem to be giving Jake Paul a what, maybe 10% to Askrens 90% chance of winning? (“It’s not impossible, quiet unlikely”).
    Remember that there’s a reason his team picked Ben Askren, just like there’s a reason that Jake Paul is the bookmakers favorite.

    In any case, you will win some nice $$$ and other miscers will as well, if Ben Askren wins. It will be a net misc gain if that happens at least, lmao.
    I will happily eat my words if it happens - if I didn’t think Jake Paul was money, I would root for Ben Askren.
    This whole post is just a strawman

    Where did i state i didn't see any flaws? What i'm saying is he's cleaned his boxing up a lot, he's fine for an amateur, he doesn't 'telegraph' his jab. I'm not saying he has no flaws, i'm saying based on the old training videos i was worried, based on the new one i think his boxing is good enough for this fight. Jake has the size and youth advantage, but Bens cardio is vastly superior, and Ben is an athlete.

    I don't see Jake paul knocking Ben out, he's taken harder punches from real killers wearing smaller gloves. Ben isn't coming to box, he's coming to compete, his boxing is good enough to get by, and hes gonna just wear Jake out. There will most likely be lots of clinching, Ben making Jake take his weight where he can and grinding him down with accumulated fatigue and as much close dirty boxing style hits as he can get away with, which will basically make it hard for Jake Paul to box. Ben knows exactly what he needs to do and he has the correct mentality to execute it IMO. Something that is also underrated by Askren is his head movement, go check the fights where there's any standup like Maia, and while his standup was abysmal his head movement is on point which is definitely something that will help him here.

    I'm not saying Jake Paul can't win either, obviously he chose well as MMA fighters go to pick one who had 0 standup, but personally i think it's something like 75/25 in Bens favor, but anything can happen of course. Before seeing bens latest videos i had it closer to 50/50 (probably 60/40 for Ben) and was a little more nervous at his chances if i'm being honest.
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    Originally Posted by TappingTheZen View Post
    This whole post is just a strawman

    Where did i state i didn't see any flaws? What i'm saying is he's cleaned his boxing up a lot, he's fine for an amateur, he doesn't 'telegraph' his jab. I'm not saying he has no flaws, i'm saying based on the old training videos i was worried, based on the new one i think his boxing is good enough for this fight. Jake has the size and youth advantage, but Bens cardio is vastly superior, and Ben is an athlete.

    I don't see Jake paul knocking Ben out, he's taken harder punches from real killers wearing smaller gloves. Ben isn't coming to box, he's coming to compete, his boxing is good enough to get by, and hes gonna just wear Jake out. There will most likely be lots of clinching, Ben making Jake take his weight where he can and grinding him down with accumulated fatigue and as much close dirty boxing style hits as he can get away with, which will basically make it hard for Jake Paul to box. Ben knows exactly what he needs to do and he has the correct mentality to execute it IMO. Something that is also underrated by Askren is his head movement, go check the fights where there's any standup like Maia, and while his standup was abysmal his head movement is on point which is definitely something that will help him here.

    I'm not saying Jake Paul can't win either, obviously he chose well as MMA fighters go to pick one who had 0 standup, but personally i think it's something like 75/25 in Bens favor, but anything can happen of course. Before seeing bens latest videos i had it closer to 50/50 (probably 60/40 for Ben) and was a little more nervous at his chances if i'm being honest.
    Yeah he does. Look from 1:25-1:30 in the video, for instance (even AJ telegraphs, so it’s not the end of the world). He keeps his hands very low as well.
    Whether Ben Askren can use his weight on Jake Paul, or it will actually be Jake Paul who can use his weight (being the bigger guy, only his inexperience would prevent this), is not necessarily clear. I fear more how it will drain all tempo from the fight, and of course Ben Askrens uppercuts - which actually look good on video.
    I thought his head movement was good as well, but then Chael Sonnen who roots for Ben Askren big time comes out and says it’s a concern... so now I’m not quite sure, since obviously he has followed Ben Askren way closer during his career.

    Anyway, agree to to disagree, we’re not even watching the same video, so nothing either of us can say will change anything. The fight will speak for itself. (That being said, your conviction is way better than mine - bet $100 to win $250, 75% of the time is a pretty solid bet.)
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