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    Sony's obsession with Blockbuster games causing unrest internally

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    Sony’s focus on exclusive blockbusters has come at the expense of niche teams and studios within the PlayStation organization, leading to high turnover and less choice for players. Last week, Sony reorganized a development office in Japan, resulting in mass departures of people who worked on less well-known but acclaimed games such as Gravity Rush and Everybody's Golf. The company has informed developers that it no longer wants to produce smaller games that are only successful in Japan, Bloomberg has reported.



    Oregon-based Sony Bend, best known for the 2019 open-world action game Days Gone, tried unsuccessfully to pitch a sequel that year, according to people familiar with the proposal. Although the first game had been profitable, its development had been lengthy and critical reception was mixed, so a Days Gone 2 wasn’t seen as a viable option.


    Instead, one team at the studio was assigned to help Naughty Dog with a multiplayer game while a second group was assigned to work on a new Uncharted game with supervision from Naughty Dog. Some staff, including top leads, were unhappy with this arrangement and left. Bend's developers feared they might be absorbed into Naughty Dog, and the studio’s leadership asked to be taken off the Uncharted project. They got their wish last month and are now working on a new game of their own.


    The team originally planned on a remake of the first Uncharted game, released by Naughty Dog in 2007. That idea quickly fizzled because it would be expensive and require too much added design work. Instead, the team settled on a remake of Naughty Dog’s 2013 melancholic zombie hit, The Last of Us.








    Jeez lol, they tried to remake tlou? what for.






    Pretty much what I said before, not every single game of theirs has to be some big open world game that is narratively focused. Narrative is more than fine, but scale back the size of the games and let some smaller case titles come in. Shame about days gone 2 getting canned though ... it was a great first attempt at an aaa title with bend and I'd like to have see them improve on it, but i'm more than happy with a new game from them ..... sick of zombies.
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    So now ND is bullying around the other developers over there, makes sense, they got a real boner for that cuck running the show.
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    My thoughts on this:

    -shame about Bend and their sequel being shot down. Glad they are doing a new IP and didn't get stuck being a naughty dog support studio, which seem like it almost happened.

    -shame about Sony trying to mitigate risk at the expense of creator/artistic freedom. Yes, I know this is a business.

    -TLOU doesn't need a remake. It released in 2013, and had a remaster released in 2014. That remaster THEN got a Pro patch in 2016. I'm sure this will be successful though. I just see it as a waste of resources that they could use on a new experience (or even remaking an actual old game ala Demon Souls).

    -shame about Sony Japan studios downscaled to a skeleton crew and thus leading to a developer exodus.

    -They still have talented developers and will create some great experiences this gen. It's just nice when devs can take creative risks.

    -If Dreams was pitched today, it wouldn't be approved.

    -Gravity Rush and such was far from generic, and it's a shame about Sony Japan Studios. Also Demon Souls is a good amount older and outdated than TLOU, so I don't see that as the same thing at all.


    I don't think they will lose money from this however.


    Lol, but it's been interesting to see Shawn Layden (who was Sony Gaming president until end of 2019) like all the twitter posts about people saying they want him back and not Jim Ryan. Their was apparently a power struggle and difference of direction that led to his departure.
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    Damn that kinda blows. I'm an Xbox-cel, and lately I've been playing these small indie games through Gamepass that have been fantastic. Feels like Xbox is giving more freedom to developers, and I wonder if any will jump ship.

    Of course there's like AAA Blockbuster titles, but some people like the chitty graphic short story indie games. Even with Days Gone, if the first wasn't like overly spectacular, that's the perfect chance to make a second one be a hit.
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    So far Sony's track records over the past 2 gens have been is to give the blockbuster titles to their biggest studios and then sprinkle that on with smaller more niche / wackier titles. Seems like this gen they're doubling down more on the blockbuster experience. What I hope is that their other studios dont get turned into support studios or become absorbed by the bigger studios. I'd still prefer their studios to be completely autonomous with the creative freedom to do the type of games they want to do, big or small... That's always been the defining factor between Sony and MS - Sony have always allowed their studios to do what they want.


    Now that MS has all these studios under their belt, they allow that sort of thing for their own studios hopefully. Gonna be super interesting 2-3 years from now once MS owned studios start releasing exclusives and then seeing how Sony answers that.
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    Originally Posted by bongowongo View Post
    So far Sony's track records over the past 2 gens have been is to give the blockbuster titles to their biggest studios and then sprinkle that on with smaller more niche / wackier titles. Seems like this gen they're doubling down more on the blockbuster experience. What I hope is that their other studios dont get turned into support studios or become absorbed by the bigger studios. I'd still prefer their studios to be completely autonomous with the creative freedom to do the type of games they want to do, big or small... That's always been the defining factor between Sony and MS - Sony have always allowed their studios to do what they want.


    Now that MS has all these studios under their belt, they allow that sort of thing for their own studios hopefully. Gonna be super interesting 2-3 years from now once MS owned studios start releasing exclusives and then seeing how Sony answers that.
    MS have gotten more hands off in the last several years. It was definitely a problem before, but seems to have been corrected.

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    AAA games have ruined the gaming community. GOW was a prime example of a good franchise gone to chit.
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    Considering that TLOU2 was basically just filler with 80 billion dollars of graphics, I have no idea how this is going to work out for them since people who only play AAA titles are getting more and more fickle about them.
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    Originally Posted by neondevil View Post
    Considering that TLOU2 was basically just filler with 80 billion dollars of graphics, I have no idea how this is going to work out for them since people who only play AAA titles are getting more and more fickle about them.
    haha calling the GOAT game filler?

    smh
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    A TLOU remake? Lolwut.....

    Let me guess, they want to change the characters to be closer to the actors cast for the show.

    Either that or they are going to retcon stuff from the first game to better line up with the sequel.
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    I guess I am the only one dying for a TLoU Remake? Been hyped for that since the rumors started months ago. I now have 9k hours into TLoUR, LoL. I'd like a Days Gone 2, but have no problem with Bend being assigned other tasks. On that note I don't need another Uncharted, but I realize many people want one and if I remember right Bend is responsible for the portable Uncharted that ND didn't make and everyone loved, so it makes a lot of sense. I have no need for Gravity Rush and Everybody's Golf or anything like those lame generic titles. I much rather small games be more niche and unique ala Concrete Genie, Dreams, Death Stranding, Oddworld, etc. All in all, great news OP, thanks for sharing. Hope TLoU Remake is confirmed soon, bloodflow entering penis.

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    A TLOU remake? Lolwut.....

    Let me guess, they want to change the characters to be closer to the actors cast for the show.

    Either that or they are going to retcon stuff from the first game to better line up with the sequel.
    Game is old as chit. Dont you praise Demon Souls Remake? I would assume it's along the same lines. Completely reworked engine, graphics, performance, etc but nearly the same exact characters and storyline. That would be my hope anyway, and I don't see why they'd do anything else.
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    Game is old as chit. Dont you praise Demon Souls Remake? I would assume it's along the same lines. Completely reworked engine, graphics, performance, etc but nearly the same exact characters and storyline. That would be my hope anyway, and I don't see why they'd do anything else.
    I don’t really think thats a fair comparison. Go look up some images of the original Demons Souls. Maybe I’m misremembering but TLOU doesn’t look anywhere near that bad and its already had a remaster has well. A full remake is not necessary imo and is just a waste of talent that could be making a new game.

    Edit: fair enough, completely forgot TLOU was also a ps3 game.
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    My thoughts on this:

    -shame about Bend and their sequel being shot down. Glad they are doing a new IP and didn't get stuck being a naughty dog support studio, which seem like it almost happened.

    -shame about Sony trying to mitigate risk at the expense of creator/artistic freedom. Yes, I know this is a business.

    -TLOU doesn't need a remake. It released in 2013, and had a remaster released in 2014. That remaster THEN got a Pro patch in 2016. I'm sure this will be successful though. I just see it as a waste of resources that they could use on a new experience (or even remaking an actual old game ala Demon Souls).

    -shame about Sony Japan studios downscaled to a skeleton crew and thus leading to a developer exodus.

    -They still have talented developers and will create some great experiences this gen. It's just nice when devs can take creative risks.

    -If Dreams was pitched today, it wouldn't be approved.

    -Gravity Rush and such was far from generic, and it's a shame about Sony Japan Studios. Also Demon Souls is a good amount older and outdated than TLOU, so I don't see that as the same thing at all.


    I don't think they will lose money from this however. Capitalism gonna Capitalism.
    All terrific points.

    While it might be a disappointment for those at Bend to not have a sequel, the new IP might be a blessing because as bongowongo said, zombie games are beyond trite at this point.

    The more I hear about Sony embracing Westernization while distancing themselves further from their roots in Japan is probably some of the worst to see happening because they're not taking the same approach as MS where they learned (through their own mistakes) to take a more hands off approach and embrace adventurous, experimental concepts.

    It's that Japanese side of Sony that really helped set the apart way back when, but my worry is that they will adopt what I can only compare to bei

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    A TLOU remake? Lolwut.....

    Let me guess, they want to change the characters to be closer to the actors cast for the show.

    Either that or they are going to retcon stuff from the first game to better line up with the sequel.
    That was literally the first thought that popped into my head when I read about this.

    I mean, just "LOL" at Pedro Pascal being Joel when Nicolaj Coster Waldeau is practically a dead ringer in appearance, and considering how they'll probably retcon Joel to be extra dickish to help justify turning him into the PGA Tour Masters special later on, NCW has proven how well he can pull off being somehow both despised yet still win you over with his portrayal of Jaime Lannister.

    I like Pedro Pascal, RIP Oberyn, but I'd wager that they picked him because of that Disney Star Wars show's popularity and that, "who's in something popular right-the-hell-now?" line of thinking is exactly the kind that goes into a lot of casting decisions.

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    I don’t really think thats a fair comparison. Go look up some images of the original Demons Souls. Maybe I’m misremembering but TLOU doesn’t look anywhere near that bad and its already had a remaster has well. A full remake is not necessary imo and is just a waste of talent that could be making a new game.

    Edit: fair enough, completely forgot TLOU was also a ps3 game.
    Your original point is on the money, really. Demon's Souls not only came out way back in 2009 while already being rougher looking, it was never pushing visuals compared to the original TLOU's release. The latter's remaster on the PS4 looks more than fine, while DS remaster is the only touching up that game ever received in a decade.

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    Pretty much what I said before, not every single game of theirs has to be some big open world game that is narratively focused. Narrative is more than fine, but scale back the size of the games and let some smaller case titles come in. Shame about days gone 2 getting canned though ... it was a great first attempt at an aaa title with bend and I'd like to have see them improve on it, but i'm more than happy with a new game from them ..... sick of zombies.
    That's pretty much why despite not only the quantity of Playstation blockbusters, but their quality, I'm left pretty apathetic towards the whole lot.

    Open world feels done to death without enough proper innovation to breath some much needed fresh air into it that warrants every other game having an open world.

    Worse to me, though, is that the push for narrative games almost never takes advantage of the medium's unique attribute of player agency and input in favor of leaning far more towards the same limitations of TV and film where you're along for whatever ride the writers have in mind. There's no, "what ifs" or diverging from the set path forward, only a series of obstacles and potential fail states that will have you start over until you successfully go from point A to B to C until the end.

    I know that some people love that stuff, but it bores me to tears as someone who just wants solid gameplay in my games, not a congested movie trying to make me give a sh*t between bouts of being able to play (which typically contradict the hell out of whatever narrative is going on, e.g. going from super soldier to vulnerable for the sake of the plot).

    That isn't even going into how all of the narrative strings are what bloat the hell out of game budgets and development; I'll take a Souls game's terse, awkwardly no-mouth-moving dialogue but masterful gameplay any day over painstakingly mo-capped actors giving some soliloquy about fuuuuuk I don't care.

    Originally Posted by bongowongo View Post
    Pretty much what I said before, not every single game of theirs has to be some big open world game that is narratively focused. Narrative is more than fine, but scale back the size of the games and let some smaller case titles come in. Shame about days gone 2 getting canned though ... it was a great first attempt at an aaa title with bend and I'd like to have see them improve on it, but i'm more than happy with a new game from them ..... sick of zombies.
    That's pretty much why despite not only the quantity of Playstation blockbusters, but their quality, I'm left pretty apathetic towards the whole lot.

    Open world feels done to death without enough proper innovation to breath some much needed fresh air into it that warrants every other game having an open world.

    Worse to me, though, is that the push for narrative games almost never takes advantage of the medium's unique attribute of player agency and input in favor of leaning far more towards the same limitations of TV and film where you're along for whatever ride the writers have in mind. There's no, "what ifs" or diverging from the set path forward, only a series of obstacles and potential fail states that will have you start over until you successfully go from point A to B to C until the end.

    I know that some people love that stuff, but it bores me to tears as someone who just wants solid gameplay in my games, not a congested movie trying to make me give a sh*t between bouts of being able to play (which typically contradict the hell out of whatever narrative is going on, e.g. going from super soldier to vulnerable for the sake of the plot).

    That isn't even going into how all of the narrative strings are what bloat the hell out of game budgets and development; I'll take a Souls game's terse, awkwardly no-mouth-moving dialogue but masterful gameplay any day over painstakingly mo-capped actors giving some soliloquy about fuuuuuk I don't care.


    Lastly, 100% agreed on zombies - fukk zombies, they're boring beyond reprieve - hell, they've been boring for fukking ages now. It's some mook covered in blood making autistic screeching, woo hoo. Going back to the whole medium thing, though, they can create anything imaginable with video games, so why get stuck on zombies... again?
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    Sonys lost the plot. why cant these companies just keep doing what works lol. Fukin idiots

    Remaking last of us 1 is the dumbest idea Ive ever heard. Absolutely nobody is asking for that
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    I give no fawks about the TV show, and doubt they are going to change the original game for anything to do with a TV show, that makes no sense to me. The two will exist separately, like Witcher and every other video game that has been adapted to TV or movie.

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    I don’t really think thats a fair comparison. Go look up some images of the original Demons Souls. Maybe I’m misremembering but TLOU doesn’t look anywhere near that bad and its already had a remaster has well. A full remake is not necessary imo and is just a waste of talent that could be making a new game.

    Edit: fair enough, completely forgot TLOU was also a ps3 game.
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    Originally Posted by wickedman View Post
    Video games are just like movies now. No one capable of coming up with an original idea; let's just **** out a remake of something that didn't even come out over 10 years ago. Fantastic 4 Syndrome.
    sadly its starting to look this way
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    Originally Posted by ohiostate124 View Post
    I don’t really think thats a fair comparison. Go look up some images of the original Demons Souls. Maybe I’m misremembering but TLOU doesn’t look anywhere near that bad and its already had a remaster has well. A full remake is not necessary imo and is just a waste of talent that could be making a new game.

    Edit: fair enough, completely forgot TLOU was also a ps3 game.

    Yeah, TLOU looked and played really well on ps3 and then it received another remaster for the ps4 version with updated textures/res/60 fps in 2014 .... Demons Souls was just super rough from the beginning and it was well worth a remake imo. I mean I guess I can kind of understand why they'd wanna remake the first game especially with the new tv show coming out, but meh, it's still unnecessary imo.

    The game is still very playable by current standards.
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    If sony wants to remake games then God of War 1 and 2 should be up on that list .... I dont think they ever released a remastered version for the ps4 (only on ps3) .... But a full faithful remake of god of war 1 and 2 would be absolutely incredible ..... god of war 3 is still damn good, and looks great thanks to the ps4 remaster, so they dont need to touch that.
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    Originally Posted by bongowongo View Post
    Yeah, TLOU looked and played really well on ps3 and then it received another remaster for the ps4 version with updated textures/res/60 fps in 2014 .... Demons Souls was just super rough from the beginning and it was well worth a remake imo. I mean I guess I can kind of understand why they'd wanna remake the first game especially with the new tv show coming out, but meh, it's still unnecessary imo.

    The game is still very playable to me by my low standards.
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    Originally Posted by wickedman View Post
    Video games are just like movies now. No one capable of coming up with an original idea; let's just **** out a remake of something that didn't even come out over 10 years ago. Fantastic 4 Syndrome.
    Yeah well you can thank cronyism for that. All these big tech, media, and gaming related companies are ran by leftists who stacked them with leftists who got the job for being "diversity" hires and their politics. It's resulted with a bunch of dull, dimwitted people running media and the arts who don't have the slightest stitch of creativity. Heck these people got their jobs so they can try to find ways to push their politics into the media some more, so it's no wonder why they suck at creating something.
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    They're not even making games for their block buster franchises. You buy a gen of playstation and there's like THREE good exclusives a DECADE. What's the point?
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    Originally Posted by rectifryer View Post
    They're not even making games for their block buster franchises. You buy a gen of playstation and there's like THREE good exclusives a DECADE. What's the point?
    I don't think most who believe PS only puts out 3 good exclusives per decade buy a PS. Especially now when Xbox has the upper hand in hardware.
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    I don't think most who believe PS only puts out 3 good exclusives per decade buy a PS. Especially now when Xbox has the upper hand in hardware.
    because x box does the same chit now and third party developers are even worse. PC hardware is just too fukking expensive.

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    because x box does the same chit now and third party developers are even worse. PC hardware is just too fukking expensive.

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    Sounds like an enjoyable life
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    Sounds like an enjoyable life
    Coming from the guy who is constantly trying to pick fights with everyone with a contrary opinion lol
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    Coming from the guy who is constantly trying to pick fights with everyone with a contrary opinion lol
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    Sounds like an enjoyable life
    My life doesn't revolve around this chit hole of an industry so its been buffered from the effects that corporate indifference has imposed upon it.

    Hell, I've went through an ENTIRE military enlistment, finished a undergrad and grad EE stem degree, bought and sold 3 houses, married a girl, had multiple kids in the time it has taken bethesda to ANNOUNCE elderscrolls 6 since es5. So yeah, I'm a little skeptical the industry is taking a consumer friendly strategy...

    I'm considering starting a doctorates in QED and I'll probably fukking finish that before ES6 gets its first patch.
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