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    What to eat for carbs?

    I recently learned that I've been messing up my macros for a long time now. I've been eating high protein/fat and almost no carbs. I'm cutting not bulking.
    I recently used a macro calculator that says I should be eating about 350g of carbs a day, which is astronomically higher than I've been taking in every day. Does that sound right? 350g of carbs for someone who weighs 160lbs? I'm probably around 20% bodyfat.

    If the above is indeed true, then how on earth do I do that? It makes sense in my mind that eating all of those carbs would be logical during a bulking phase, but 350g while cutting? That's roughly 8-9 bowls of brown rice or something similar! If each bowl had 1cup of brown rice.

    Do you guys really eat that much rice/oats/whatever every day to meet your carb needs?
    I'm interested in keeping my glycogen stores topped off as much as possible. How do you restore your glycogen? Which carb foods do you eat specifically to get your needs met?
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    Carbs are simply a source of calories... depending on your TDEE, then sure 350g of carbs could be fine...

    However, you don’t need a specific about of carbs, you need to be in a calorie deficit and make sure you get enough protein and essential fats... the carbs can fill in the rest, or you can use a combination of carbs and fat and protein... it’s up to you

    Carbs are essentially a discretionary nutrient in the context of body composition.

    I eat over 400g a day... I stay plenty lean


    Mainly I eat:

    Berries and bananas
    Oats
    Sweet potato
    Whole wheat bread
    Beans/lentils
    Veggies
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    Carbs are simply a source of calories... depending on your TDEE, then sure 350g of carbs could be fine...

    However, you don’t need a specific about of carbs, you need to be in a calorie deficit and make sure you get enough protein and essential fats... the carbs can fill in the rest, or you can use a combination of carbs and fat and protein... it’s up to you

    Carbs are essentially a discretionary nutrient in the context of body composition.

    I eat over 400g a day... I stay plenty lean


    Mainly I eat:

    Berries and bananas
    Oats
    Sweet potato
    Whole wheat bread
    Beans/lentils
    Veggies

    Thank you for informing me, though I did read somewhere that if you don't consume enough carbs your body will try to burn muscle for fuel. I'm not sure if that's true though.
    I really want to keep my energy/glycogen levels high, because my extreme carb deficiency is draining all of my stamina.

    Thanks for sharing what you eat, I'm glad to see lentils on your list! All of my carbs come from bananas and oatmeal, but they contain quite a bit less carbs than lentils/brown rice.
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    Originally Posted by DumpsterGuy View Post
    Thank you for informing me, though I did read somewhere that if you don't consume enough carbs your body will try to burn muscle for fuel. I'm not sure if that's true though.
    I really want to keep my energy/glycogen levels high, because my extreme carb deficiency is draining all of my stamina.

    Thanks for sharing what you eat, I'm glad to see lentils on your list! All of my carbs come from bananas and oatmeal, but they contain quite a bit less carbs than lentils/brown rice.
    Your body will burn muscle if you don’t eat enough calories and don’t have a significant amount of fat. Generally you do lose some muscle while cutting if you are going from leanish to lean lean. You’ll lose more muscle when cutting if your deficit is too high and you try to crash diet, you don’t weight train, you don’t eat enough fat and protein for recovery

    For carbs I eat
    Potatoes/sweet potatoes
    Cereal
    Fruit
    Ice cream
    Rice, Wild or white, I don’t like the taste of brown rice
    Sauces like tomato, teriyaki, bbq
    Bread (English muffins, tortillas, sourdough bread)
    Crackers, I have a love of a good cracker, hummus and cucumber Combo
    Candy, but not chocolate cause most chocolate is trash and waxy
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    Originally Posted by snailsrus View Post
    Your body will burn muscle if you don’t eat enough calories and don’t have a significant amount of fat. Generally you do lose some muscle while cutting if you are going from leanish to lean lean. You’ll lose more muscle when cutting if your deficit is too high and you try to crash diet, you don’t weight train, you don’t eat enough fat and protein for recovery
    The above guidance is what I've believed to be true for several months now. Thank you, I guess I won't go out and buy a bunch of high carb food now.
    Seems like all of the macro calculators out there have different suggestions on what I should be eating.
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    Originally Posted by DumpsterGuy View Post
    The above guidance is what I've believed to be true for several months now. Thank you, I guess I won't go out and buy a bunch of high carb food now.
    Seems like all of the macro calculators out there have different suggestions on what I should be eating.
    for 160 lbs like minimum 120 grams of protein and minimum 60 grams of fat. Fill in the rest of your daily calories how you like, balance is good though fruits/veggies/dairy/lean protein/fatty acids etc. only whey shakes, egg whites, pizza and pop tarts is a bad idea for health in general
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    Originally Posted by snailsrus View Post
    for 160 lbs like minimum 120 grams of protein and minimum 60 grams of fat. Fill in the rest of your daily calories how you like, balance is good though fruits/veggies/dairy/lean protein/fatty acids etc. only whey shakes, egg whites, pizza and pop tarts is a bad idea for health in general
    That sounds like solid advice, though I've been eating 180g of protein a day and unknown fat levels. Eating about 2000 cals a day as well.

    Somewhere along the way I messed up, I decided to start cutting and that resulted in a loss of 17LBS in just 7 days!!!
    I didn't think it was possible to lose 17 pounds in 7 days....
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    Originally Posted by DumpsterGuy View Post
    That sounds like solid advice, though I've been eating 180g of protein a day and unknown fat levels. Eating about 2000 cals a day as well.

    Somewhere along the way I messed up, I decided to start cutting and that resulted in a loss of 17LBS in just 7 days!!!
    I didn't think it was possible to lose 17 pounds in 7 days....
    Hate to rain on your parade but about 1lb of that was fat BTW. 2 at most.
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    Originally Posted by SuffolkPunch View Post
    Hate to rain on your parade but about 1lb of that was fat BTW. 2 at most.
    Prior to cutting I came off of a massive food binging session. I have binge eating disorder, i was almost 180 pounds near the end of March.
    Probably ate 4000+ cals a day for a week or 2.
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    Originally Posted by DumpsterGuy View Post
    Prior to cutting I came off of a massive food binging session. I have binge eating disorder, i was almost 180 pounds near the end of March.
    Probably ate 4000+ cals a day for a week or 2.
    So it was fluids: food in transit, water retention, glycogen etc.

    If you eat 2000 calorie a day, your TDEE is likely between 2500 - maybe 3000 if you are unusually active. 500 calories a day deficit equates to 1lb a week fat loss.
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    Originally Posted by SuffolkPunch View Post
    So it was fluids: food in transit, water retention, glycogen etc.

    If you eat 2000 calorie a day, your TDEE is likely between 2500 - maybe 3000 if you are unusually active. 500 calories a day deficit equates to 1lb a week fat loss.
    I agree, it was mostly fluids and probably waste to be honest.
    I'm just hoping 2000 cals a day isn't too low, in addition to 3+ hours of daily weight training I power walk all day long. HIIT training too.

    Thanks for your help!
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    Originally Posted by DumpsterGuy View Post
    I agree, it was mostly fluids and probably waste to be honest.
    I'm just hoping 2000 cals a day isn't too low, in addition to 3+ hours of daily weight training I power walk all day long. HIIT training too.

    Thanks for your help!
    how exactly are you weight training three hours per day? are you using baby weights or resting 10 minutes between sets? not trying to sound mean but it makes no sense

    an hour is enough, two hours max i'd say if you're really slow or do 16 different movements (which is not recommended for others than pros anyway, if even them)
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    Originally Posted by DumpsterGuy View Post
    I agree, it was mostly fluids and probably waste to be honest.
    I'm just hoping 2000 cals a day isn't too low, in addition to 3+ hours of daily weight training I power walk all day long. HIIT training too.

    Thanks for your help!
    Do you not have a job? family? social life?

    You're training like someone on the day of the CrossFit games or something....
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    Do you not have a job? family? social life?

    You're training like someone on the day of the CrossFit games or something....
    I have no life, no job and I'm okay financially. I workout 3+ hours spread out over the whole day. Lol....I do intend to "get a life" soon though.
    I thought all bodybuilders spent most of the day lifting? Arnold even admitted to lifting for 5 hours a day.
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    Originally Posted by faithbrah View Post
    how exactly are you weight training three hours per day? are you using baby weights or resting 10 minutes between sets? not trying to sound mean but it makes no sense

    an hour is enough, two hours max i'd say if you're really slow or do 16 different movements (which is not recommended for others than pros anyway, if even them)
    I workout several muscle groups per day and have no life. I work out until failure each session.
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    Originally Posted by DumpsterGuy View Post
    I recently learned that I've been messing up my macros for a long time now. I've been eating high protein/fat and almost no carbs. I'm cutting not bulking.
    I recently used a macro calculator that says I should be eating about 350g of carbs a day, which is astronomically higher than I've been taking in every day. Does that sound right? 350g of carbs for someone who weighs 160lbs? I'm probably around 20% bodyfat.

    If the above is indeed true, then how on earth do I do that? It makes sense in my mind that eating all of those carbs would be logical during a bulking phase, but 350g while cutting? That's roughly 8-9 bowls of brown rice or something similar! If each bowl had 1cup of brown rice.

    Do you guys really eat that much rice/oats/whatever every day to meet your carb needs?
    I'm interested in keeping my glycogen stores topped off as much as possible. How do you restore your glycogen? Which carb foods do you eat specifically to get your needs met?
    Potatoes
    Sweet potatoes
    Oats
    Rice
    Rice cakes
    Quinoa
    Whole wheat pasta
    Whole wheat bread, English muffins, tortillas
    Lentils
    Beans
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    Originally Posted by DumpsterGuy View Post
    I have no life, no job and I'm okay financially. I workout 3+ hours spread out over the whole day. Lol....I do intend to "get a life" soon though.
    I thought all bodybuilders spent most of the day lifting? Arnold even admitted to lifting for 5 hours a day.
    How r u OK financially with no job?

    And what r u talking about with regards to Arnold ?

    He worked out all day because that WAS his job... it’s how he made money... you’re not a pro bodybuilder making millions of dollars from your body

    I guess I’m confused at what you consider ‘working out’ then... r u considering waking as ‘working out’?
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    How r u OK financially with no job?

    And what r u talking about with regards to Arnold ?

    He worked out all day because that WAS his job... it’s how he made money... you’re not a pro bodybuilder making millions of dollars from your body

    I guess I’m confused at what you consider ‘working out’ then... r u considering waking as ‘working out’?
    I've been living off of savings from my previous job, supplemented with money made by donating blood plasma.

    I saw a video where Arnold mentioned that he trained for 5 hours each day, back in the day.
    I know I'm not a pro bodybuilder and I'm not being paid to lift, but I don't see the harm in lifting for 3+ hours a day as long as I feel alright.

    Walking is not working out, it's a means of calorie expenditure. When I lift I spend about an hour per muscle group, each set is until failure. It's brutal and exhausting, but highly possible for many people if they have the time. Arnold lifted for 5 hours a day, in addition to that he had a full time job doing construction.
    He may have been using steroids during that time period, but I do not.
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    I've been living off of savings from my previous job, supplemented with money made by donating blood plasma.

    I saw a video where Arnold mentioned that he trained for 5 hours each day, back in the day.
    I know I'm not a pro bodybuilder and I'm not being paid to lift, but I don't see the harm in lifting for 3+ hours a day as long as I feel alright.

    Walking is not working out, it's a means of calorie expenditure. When I lift I spend about an hour per muscle group, each set is until failure. It's brutal and exhausting, but highly possible for many people if they have the time. Arnold lifted for 5 hours a day, in addition to that he had a full time job doing construction.
    He may have been using steroids during that time period, but I do not.
    There is so much wrong with this post I don't know where to begin....

    If you claim to lift for 3 hours at a time with EVERY SET to failure, you're either full of shyt or you have no idea what failure is
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    There is so much wrong with this post I don't know where to begin....

    If you claim to lift for 3 hours at a time with EVERY SET to failure, you're either full of shyt or you have no idea what failure is
    you know there are “those people” at the gym that stop and talk to everyone, normally get there at top peak hours 4 or 5 pm to 8 or 9 pm. They suck up precious gym time of others with 10-15 minutes of small talk. I mean after they talk to 8 people (their daily average) they already been at the gym for 2 hours. Then gotta at 15 more minutes for selfie photo time and 15 mins mixing a protein shake, and 15 more mins waiting for a machine or lecturing people on how to maximize there work outs and correcting form
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    Originally Posted by snailsrus View Post
    you know there are “those people” at the gym that stop and talk to everyone, normally get there at top peak hours 4 or 5 pm to 8 or 9 pm. They suck up precious gym time of others with 10-15 minutes of small talk. I mean after they talk to 8 people (their daily average) they already been at the gym for 2 hours. Then gotta at 15 more minutes for selfie photo time and 15 mins mixing a protein shake, and 15 more mins waiting for a machine or lecturing people on how to maximize there work outs and correcting form
    Haha!

    I mean I have to say, my weight training workouts rarely last for over 70minutes unless I’m really pushing legs hard and need to rest...

    Most of the time for push days I’m done in 60 minutes, same for pull...

    If I took less rest I could probably finish in 50 or so.

    I’m still doing 20 or so working sets in total

    I cannot imagine truly ‘working out’ for 3 hours and having any semblance of a normal life
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    There is so much wrong with this post I don't know where to begin....

    If you claim to lift for 3 hours at a time with EVERY SET to failure, you're either full of shyt or you have no idea what failure is
    I never claimed to lift for 3 hours per session, I said multiple times that I lift for 3 hours a day. So what that might look like is 1 hour of back, 1 hour of biceps, 1 hour of triceps. Several hours of non lifting in between. (But lots of power walking).
    I really don't know how to make this any more clear, I exercise multiple muscle groups a day and they all get worked with high intensity.

    Each set is done until I cannot lift any longer.
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    Originally Posted by snailsrus View Post
    you know there are “those people” at the gym that stop and talk to everyone, normally get there at top peak hours 4 or 5 pm to 8 or 9 pm. They suck up precious gym time of others with 10-15 minutes of small talk. I mean after they talk to 8 people (their daily average) they already been at the gym for 2 hours. Then gotta at 15 more minutes for selfie photo time and 15 mins mixing a protein shake, and 15 more mins waiting for a machine or lecturing people on how to maximize there work outs and correcting form
    I own a home gym...

    Edit: I also don't have the social skills to go around talking to a bunch of strangers about their "form". I don't lift for the same reasons you do.
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    I don't understand why you are all confused, what I'm doing is very possible for many people. I have energy to spare sometimes.

    Haters gonna hate I guess.
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    Originally Posted by DumpsterGuy View Post
    I don't understand why you are all confused, what I'm doing is very possible for many people. I have energy to spare sometimes.

    Haters gonna hate I guess.
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    350g of carbs is easy

    2 cups rice 100g carbs

    1/2 box pasta raw 120g carbs

    2 cups rice 100g carbs

    then you can add fruits and veggies + meats
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    Stupids gunna stupid
    Lol whatever, you look sickly by the way
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    Haha!

    I mean I have to say, my weight training workouts rarely last for over 70minutes unless I’m really pushing legs hard and need to rest...

    Most of the time for push days I’m done in 60 minutes, same for pull...

    If I took less rest I could probably finish in 50 or so.

    I’m still doing 20 or so working sets in total

    I cannot imagine truly ‘working out’ for 3 hours and having any semblance of a normal life
    the only time I go to 75-90 lifting is if I’m doing a person record and resting a lot in between warm up sets /sets. Or when I do something like 10 reps of 10 sets of dead’s or squats then finish off with a few other random exercises. But if I want to just get in and get it done because time is limited, I can in an hour no problem and like you say 20 some odd working sets. Just have to not misc in between sets

    Originally Posted by DumpsterGuy View Post
    I own a home gym...

    Edit: I also don't have the social skills to go around talking to a bunch of strangers about their "form". I don't lift for the same reasons you do.
    um what reasons do I lift for do you think? Also with so much working out what is your max squat, bench and deadlift
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    Originally Posted by snailsrus View Post
    the only time I go to 75-90 lifting is if I’m doing a person record and resting a lot in between warm up sets /sets. Or when I do something like 10 reps of 10 sets of dead’s or squats then finish off with a few other random exercises. But if I want to just get in and get it done because time is limited, I can in an hour no problem and like you say 20 some odd working sets. Just have to not misc in between sets

    um what reasons do I lift for do you think?
    Well you talked of me as if I go around boasting at the gym, so I assume you are interested in the competitive aspect of bodybuilding. I don't mean professional, I just mean wanting to be bigger than others.
    I purely lift to look good for women, and don't really care if others are bigger or better than myself.

    Of course I know you were talking like that jokingly. But no, I'm not one of those guys that pose in front of a public mirror. I don't try to "help" everyone with their form. I workout at home, alone.
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