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    Any brahs work in tech?

    Been thinking about learning to program for work. I know the money is good and if I apply myself I’m a fast learner smart etc... does the work suck just sitting on computer all day? My buddy didn’t even finish degree but had experience and knows how to code well. Got a job at sales force making six figures
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    Susprising he got a job making six figures at a place like Salesforce. More details? He well connected or what?
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    Originally Posted by TugOfPeace View Post
    Susprising he got a job making six figures at a place like Salesforce. More details? He well connected or what?
    Don’t think so. He worked at Amazon while in college. Didn’t finish degree but put it on resume. Said interviews were all practical questions and he did well
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    Originally Posted by TugOfPeace View Post
    Susprising he got a job making six figures at a place like Salesforce. More details? He well connected or what?
    Why does that surprise you? Majority of developers at Salesforce will be making 6 figures. It doesn't pay bad for a company.
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    codings lucrative but that's not the only role in tech

    being a software engineer definitely requires a certain type of personality
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    Have you done manual labour jobs before? That should give you an appreciation for spending most of your work day in front of a computer
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    Been working in tech since age 26, now 31. W2 my first year was 235k, now 2020 was 485k. 2021 will be bonkers because I took an expat role.

    I have a bachelors degree in mechanical engineering from a non-prestigious school and work in hardware so I have no idea about the nerd coding stuff, sorry.

    Anyone who is an engineer and works in non-tech is probably paid a small fraction of what they could earn in tech. I maybe work 10-15 hours per week of actual grinding, the rest I spend telling other people what to do. I will retire in the next 2-3 years max.

    In short, I highly recommend it.
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    Originally Posted by Globally View Post
    Been working in tech since age 26, now 31. W2 my first year was 235k, now 2020 was 485k. 2021 will be bonkers because I took an expat role.

    I have a bachelors degree in mechanical engineering from a non-prestigious school and work in hardware so I have no idea about the nerd coding stuff, sorry.

    Anyone who is an engineer and works in non-tech is probably paid a small fraction of what they could earn in tech. I maybe work 10-15 hours per week of actual grinding, the rest I spend telling other people what to do. I will retire in the next 2-3 years max.

    In short, I highly recommend it.
    Lmao

    You could have been making $500k right off the bat at 26 and I still doubt you’d be retiring at 33-34. That would be a chit-tier move to make
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    Originally Posted by Destor View Post
    Lmao

    You could have been making $500k right off the bat at 26 and I still doubt you’d be retiring at 33-34. That would be a chit-tier move to make
    In order for you to make that judgment you’d need to understand the investments I’ve made with my excess income to see my net worth and passive income. I’d be happy to share that if you want, but it’s not particularly relevant to the thread.

    More than half of my income is RSU and the company has 5x’d since I joined.
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    Originally Posted by Globally View Post
    In order for you to make that judgment you’d need to understand the investments I’ve made with my excess income to see my net worth and passive income. I’d be happy to share that if you want, but it’s not particularly relevant to the thread.

    More than half of my income is RSU and the company has 5x’d since I joined.
    No your investments really have no bearing on my judgment, plenty of people have made a lot more money at a much younger age and continued to grind hard af for another 3-4 decades afterwards

    If you’re actually making $500k+, I’d be amazed if you’re willing to give up decades more of higher earnings and potential for more huge gains so you can check out at 34 years old
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    Originally Posted by Globally View Post
    Been working in tech since age 26, now 31. W2 my first year was 235k, now 2020 was 485k. 2021 will be bonkers because I took an expat role.

    I have a bachelors degree in mechanical engineering from a non-prestigious school and work in hardware so I have no idea about the nerd coding stuff, sorry.

    Anyone who is an engineer and works in non-tech is probably paid a small fraction of what they could earn in tech. I maybe work 10-15 hours per week of actual grinding, the rest I spend telling other people what to do. I will retire in the next 2-3 years max.

    In short, I highly recommend it.
    Can you elaborate on how you switched into tech? Im 32 with an EE degree and have been doing power engineering the past 9 years, problem is I topped out at a $110k salary

    I live with parents due to covid so if I needed to leave my job to learn fulltime I could do that

    What is your actual field/job and what knowledge did you acquire to get it?
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    No your investments really have no bearing on my judgment, plenty of people have made a lot more money at a much younger age and continued to grind hard af for another 3-4 decades afterwards

    If you’re actually making $500k+, I’d be amazed if you’re willing to give up decades more of higher earnings and potential for more huge gains so you can check out at 34 years old
    Because I value my time more than I value having more money. My 6 rental properties and large brokerage account can fund me traveling around and doing whatever I want with room to spare and never touching the principle value. Why would I choose to continue working if the additional money isn’t as valuable as my time? I don’t follow your logic.

    I also have a slightly irrational hatred for how much income tax I pay.

    Grinding hard to be rich at 60 sounds pretty depressing.

    Originally Posted by TugOfPeace View Post
    Can you elaborate on how you switched into tech? Im 32 with an EE degree and have been doing power engineering the past 9 years, problem is I topped out at a $110k salary

    I live with parents due to covid so if I needed to leave my job to learn fulltime I could do that

    What is your actual field/job and what knowledge did you acquire to get it?
    I started out of college in aerospace making about 70k/yr then moved to a sporting goods design company making not much more. During that time I traveled a lot to Asia and became very good at manufacturing development and mechanical design. I got referred by a friend to the tech company in Bay Area and had an interview. Interview was pretty rigorous.

    I wouldn’t focus on any training or education I would focus on trying to make some contacts with recruiters and current employees of companies like that. Covid kind of ruined everything because face to face networking is a big deal. You could probably apply to companies like google, Nio, Amazon hardware, Facebook hardware and just keep trying your luck. Apple as well.
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    Because I value my time more than I value having more money. My 6 rental properties and large brokerage account can fund me traveling around and doing whatever I want with room to spare and never touching the principle value. Why would I choose to continue working if the additional money isn’t as valuable as my time? I don’t follow your logic.

    Grinding hard to be rich at 60 sounds pretty depressing.



    I started out of college in aerospace making about 70k/yr then moved to a sporting goods design company making not much more. During that time I traveled a lot to Asia and became very good at manufacturing development and mechanical design. I got referred by a friend to the tech company in Bay Area and had an interview. Interview was pretty rigorous.

    I wouldn’t focus on any training or education I would focus on trying to make some contacts with recruiters and current employees of companies like that. Covid kind of ruined everything because face to face networking is a big deal. You could probably apply to companies like google, Nio, Amazon hardware, Facebook hardware and just keep trying your luck. Apple as well.
    Interesting, but what do you actually do? If it requires an ME background theres no point in me applying for interviews.
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    Interesting, but what do you actually do? If it requires an ME background theres no point in me applying for interviews.
    I work on the design of the mechanical enclosures of consumer electronic products. A lot of that involves how to develop manufacturing processes and some rather futuristic manufacturing technologies. America is god awful at manufacturing development, so I do it in Asia. Before clown world happened, I flew to Asia about 10x per year for this. Now I actually just moved full time expat to China because getting in and out of China is an incredibly difficult process for foreigners now.

    For consumer electronics you would have a lot of relevance for battery development, hardware development. Companies like Amazon, google, Facebook, Snapchat, Lyft, Uber and tons of others will pay you a nice salary plus RSU to do EE work for them if you’re good and socially competent.

    You’re probably in higher demand than an ME honestly.
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    Because I value my time more than I value having more money. My 6 rental properties and large brokerage account can fund me traveling around and doing whatever I want with room to spare and never touching the principle value. Why would I choose to continue working if the additional money isn’t as valuable as my time? I don’t follow your logic.

    I also have a slightly irrational hatred for how much income tax I pay.

    Grinding hard to be rich at 60 sounds pretty depressing.
    Because high earners tend to be high achievers who get off on the work and who would find retiring at 34 depressing. I’m in another industry where incomes like that are common, hell I work with people with no degrees who are making $400k, and I’ve yet to meet anyone driven enough to reach that level but complacent enough to retire in their 30s

    That makes me question your story, but maybe you’re the exception
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    Because high earners tend to be high achievers who get off on the work and who would find retiring at 34 depressing. I’m in another industry where incomes like that are common, hell I work with people with no degrees who are making $400k, and I’ve yet to meet anyone driven enough to reach that level but complacent enough to retire in their 30s

    That makes me question your story, but maybe you’re the exception
    I understand what you’re getting at, and a lot of people I work with have more money than they could ever spend in 10 lifetimes but are addicted to it and will stay forever. But there are also several coworkers who fvukt off after 2-3 years and drove a camper van to South America or something similar. Those people will have to work again at some point, but they had an amazing life experience.

    I’m somewhere in the middle where I am passionate about work and did the grind for a decade, but I have other interests I want to accomplish in life with regards to competitive sports, art, music, and travel. Since I’ve been very fortunate financially I want to take advantage of the opportunity to do other things. I highly doubt I would ever regret the decision.
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    Originally Posted by Globally View Post
    Been working in tech since age 26, now 31. W2 my first year was 235k, now 2020 was 485k. 2021 will be bonkers because I took an expat role.

    I have a bachelors degree in mechanical engineering from a non-prestigious school and work in hardware so I have no idea about the nerd coding stuff, sorry.

    Anyone who is an engineer and works in non-tech is probably paid a small fraction of what they could earn in tech. I maybe work 10-15 hours per week of actual grinding, the rest I spend telling other people what to do. I will retire in the next 2-3 years max.

    In short, I highly recommend it.
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    Originally Posted by Globally View Post
    I work on the design of the mechanical enclosures of consumer electronic products. A lot of that involves how to develop manufacturing processes and some rather futuristic manufacturing technologies. America is god awful at manufacturing development, so I do it in Asia. Before clown world happened, I flew to Asia about 10x per year for this. Now I actually just moved full time expat to China because getting in and out of China is an incredibly difficult process for foreigners now.

    For consumer electronics you would have a lot of relevance for battery development, hardware development. Companies like Amazon, google, Facebook, Snapchat, Lyft, Uber and tons of others will pay you a nice salary plus RSU to do EE work for them if you’re good and socially competent.

    You’re probably in higher demand than an ME honestly.
    Congrats on the money I guess, but lol at moving to communist china to help the chicoms continue to steal our tech and manufacturing.
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    Originally Posted by Globally View Post
    Been working in tech since age 26, now 31. W2 my first year was 235k, now 2020 was 485k. 2021 will be bonkers because I took an expat role.

    I have a bachelors degree in mechanical engineering from a non-prestigious school and work in hardware so I have no idea about the nerd coding stuff, sorry.

    Anyone who is an engineer and works in non-tech is probably paid a small fraction of what they could earn in tech. I maybe work 10-15 hours per week of actual grinding, the rest I spend telling other people what to do. I will retire in the next 2-3 years max.

    In short, I highly recommend it.
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    Originally Posted by knightofday View Post
    Congrats on the money I guess, but lol at moving to communist china to help the chicoms continue to steal our tech and manufacturing.
    China is more capitalist and less authoritarian than California since the pandemic. They have their own technology/innovation now, and it is trending to being far more advanced than what’s in the states sadly.

    If America can spend a little less time on gender studies and race wars and faux pandemic lockdowns maybe we could be competitive.

    I love the US dearly but it’s become a hellhole the past year and isn’t turning around anytime soon.
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    Originally Posted by Globally View Post
    China is more capitalist and less authoritarian than California since the pandemic. They have their own technology/innovation now, and it is trending to being far more advanced than what’s in the states sadly.

    If America can spend a little less time on gender studies and race wars and faux pandemic lockdowns maybe we could be competitive.

    I love the US dearly but it’s become a hellhole the past year and isn’t turning around anytime soon.
    That's not true, what makes a country capitalist or not is it's rules around capital... china is way more restrictive with capital than USA is. Because the citizens of USA choose not to participate in a particular industry (manufacturing) because of it's low profitability doesn't make that country not capitalist.
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    Originally Posted by jn677 View Post
    That's not true, what makes a country capitalist or not is it's rules around capital... china is way more restrictive with capital than USA is. Because the citizens of USA choose not to participate in a particular industry (manufacturing) because of it's low profitability doesn't make that country not capitalist.
    It's literally harder to start a profitable company in the US than it is in China.

    China is more capitalist than "the land of the free".

    Stop coping, our trade deficit is physical evidence of our failures.
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    Originally Posted by BulkingIsHard View Post
    It's literally harder to start a profitable company in the US than it is in China.

    China is more capitalist than "the land of the free".

    Stop coping, our trade deficit is physical evidence of our failures.
    Profitability has nothing to do with capitalism. Yes China's economy is growing faster than USA. That's because China went from being a completely 100% authoritative communist country to a slightly less authoritative (but still way more than usa) hybrid communist/capitalist country. So of course they are growing faster. Growth will eventually slow.

    On a per capita basis China is so far behind USA it isn't funny.
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    Originally Posted by Globally View Post
    Been working in tech since age 26, now 31. W2 my first year was 235k, now 2020 was 485k. 2021 will be bonkers because I took an expat role.

    I have a bachelors degree in mechanical engineering from a non-prestigious school and work in hardware so I have no idea about the nerd coding stuff, sorry.

    Anyone who is an engineer and works in non-tech is probably paid a small fraction of what they could earn in tech. I maybe work 10-15 hours per week of actual grinding, the rest I spend telling other people what to do. I will retire in the next 2-3 years max.

    In short, I highly recommend it.
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    Originally Posted by jn677 View Post
    Profitability has nothing to do with capitalism. Yes China's economy is growing faster than USA. That's because China went from being a completely 100% authoritative communist country to a slightly less authoritative (but still way more than usa) hybrid communist/capitalist country. So of course they are growing faster. Growth will eventually slow.

    On a per capita basis China is so far behind USA it isn't funny.
    It’s a lot more complicated than those simple labels you’re giving it. I don’t blame you for not understanding it, because American education and western media do their very best to keep us misinformed on what China is like and how China works.

    If any American is unhappy that China is surpassing us, look no further than our own political climate and our own priorities domestically.
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    Originally Posted by Globally View Post
    It’s a lot more complicated than those simple labels you’re giving it. I don’t blame you for not understanding it, because American education and western media do their very best to keep us misinformed on what China is like and how China works.

    If any American is unhappy that China is surpassing us, look no further than our own political climate and our own priorities domestically.
    I'm not American and I have degrees from 2 different western countries and have lived/worked in 3 countries, I read news from multiple countries.

    But anyway none of that matters , anyone (especially English speakers) is capable of getting information outside of MSM today on the internet.

    But please do educate me about private ownership of land in China vs USA. Please educate about FDI in China vs USA. Please educate me about percentage of state owned enterprises in China vs USA, etc, etc... Since you claim I can't trust what I am reading.

    Please also tell me where you got this secret information.
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    Originally Posted by jn677 View Post
    I'm not American and I have degrees from 2 different western countries and have lived/worked in 3 countries, I read news from multiple countries.

    But anyway none of that matters , anyone (especially English speakers) is capable of getting information outside of MSM today on the internet.

    But please do educate me about private ownership of land in China vs USA. Please educate about FDI in China vs USA. Please educate me about percentage of state owned enterprises in China vs USA, etc, etc... Since you claim I can't trust what I am reading.

    Please also tell me where you got this secret information.
    I’m not 100% clear what point you’re trying to make about China versus the US. You mentioned foreign direct investment which China is massive in.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN29T0TC

    You’re right that individual land ownership is not the same as it is in the states, but this is pretty much the norm in Asia. It’s not really a tell-all metric of anything because real estate is an absolutely massive industry in China for both private residential and commercial.

    Have you ever been to China? Do you have any idea what life is like for middle class Chinese citizens and the overall economic atmosphere is like here? I work with a lady who is now a multi billionaire who was earning minimum wage as a line operator in her 20’s. It’s a place of tremendous opportunity, innovation, and entrepreneurship. Things move exceptionally fast here, so what you knew 15, 10, or even 5 years ago is not relevant anymore.
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    Originally Posted by Globally View Post
    I work on the design of the mechanical enclosures of consumer electronic products. A lot of that involves how to develop manufacturing processes and some rather futuristic manufacturing technologies. America is god awful at manufacturing development, so I do it in Asia. Before clown world happened, I flew to Asia about 10x per year for this. Now I actually just moved full time expat to China because getting in and out of China is an incredibly difficult process for foreigners now.

    For consumer electronics you would have a lot of relevance for battery development, hardware development. Companies like Amazon, google, Facebook, Snapchat, Lyft, Uber and tons of others will pay you a nice salary plus RSU to do EE work for them if you’re good and socially competent.

    You’re probably in higher demand than an ME honestly.
    Nice a comrade! We probably have indirectly worked together at some stage as I work a lot with chinese electronic parts.

    To stay on topic, you can get into tech, but eventually that's not what pays most to be honest, it's when you transition to higher positions. When you start slowly managing tech teams etc..
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