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    Need advice on cardio

    I do cardio 5 days a week. But from what I've been reading online it's very possible to do too much cardio. So I cut my cardio down from 1 hour elliptical/treadmill sessions to 30 minute sessions. But here my question and where I need help. If I walk slowly on a treadmill or go really easy on an elliptical would it still count as cardio? Because what I'm trying to do is to be able to continue burning good calories while not really getting a cardio intensive workout while doing that. Any other suggestions on how I could also do that would also be appreciated. Again my goal is to be able to burn calories while not continuing to give my heart a workout. Because I'm already doing cardio and don't want to over do it.


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    Any cardio by definition will have an effect on your cardiovascular system. There are other reasons not to do "too much" cardio, but if you have a healthy heart it can handle whatever intensive exercise you're doing on the treadmill or elliptical.
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    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    Any cardio by definition will have an effect on your cardiovascular system. There are other reasons not to do "too much" cardio, but if you have a healthy heart it can handle whatever intensive exercise you're doing on the treadmill or elliptical.
    I get that. But what I'm saying more or less is does walking slowly on a treadmill even count as a cardio workout considering it barely raises your heart rate if at all.
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    Originally Posted by CJthehuman View Post
    I get that.
    It all counts. What you should be concerned about is how much does it count. Running 5 km in 20 mins. is cardio. Walking for 5 min. is cardio. Each will have a different effect on your recovery.
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    It all counts. What you should be concerned about is how much does it count. Running 5 km in 20 mins. is cardio. Walking for 5 min. is cardio. Each will have a different effect on your recovery.

    So walking extremely slow at a very easy rate still counts as cardio? So basically if I'm already doing 30 minutes of cardio 5 days per week I shouldnt do any slow easy treadmill or elliptical time to continue burning calories? I'm not worried so much about slightly slowing muscle gain. I'm trying to avoid having heart damage over doing it long term. I realize with me being young I probably wouldn't have any noticeable or tremendous damage anytime very soon. Like I said I'm just trying to avoid hurting my body over time while doing this long term.
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    Try it and see OP

    There is no magic formula to tell you the maximum safe dose of cardio. All exercise eats into your recovery ability.

    Cardio and strength/hypertrophy related goals can run in parallel to some degree but as you get more advanced one is going to elbow the other out.

    Nobody can precisely predict where this starts happening because your recovery ability is different to someone elses - and it can change over time too.

    So the bottom line is: try it and see. Objectively measure your progress towards both goals and monitor...

    One thing that's worth mentioning is that steady state cardio can exist alongside weight training more comfortably than higher intensity cardio like HIIT because they use different energy pathways.
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    Originally Posted by CJthehuman View Post
    So walking extremely slow at a very easy rate still counts as cardio? So basically if I'm already doing 30 minutes of cardio 5 days per week I shouldnt do any slow easy treadmill or elliptical time to continue burning calories? I'm not worried so much about slightly slowing muscle gain. I'm trying to avoid having heart damage over doing it long term. I realize with me being young I probably wouldn't have any noticeable or tremendous damage anytime very soon. Like I said I'm just trying to avoid hurting my body over time while doing this long term.
    In the world of athletics, you're prob on the lowest end of people potentially damaging their hearts from doing too much cardio activity. If you're this worried, try eating less instead.
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    Originally Posted by CJthehuman View Post
    So walking extremely slow at a very easy rate still counts as cardio? So basically if I'm already doing 30 minutes of cardio 5 days per week ...

    I'm trying to avoid having heart damage over doing it long term.
    OP, I think you are way overthinking this. It would take MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more than what you've described to be an issue unless you already have some serious heart issues.
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    Read what I posted again. Read it slowly.
    Can you read at all? I'm getting the feeling you're one of those people who has no knowledge or experience what so ever yet wants to tell other people what would be best based off what you guess would be best.
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    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    In the world of athletics, you're prob on the lowest end of people potentially damaging their hearts from doing too much cardio activity. If you're this worried, try eating less instead.
    I'm not overweight at all. But it's become pretty obvious pretty quick that this forum is filled with out of shape people who have no idea what they're talking about and are angry that people who actually put in the work to get fit exist.
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    Originally Posted by CommitmentRulz View Post
    OP, I think you are way overthinking this. It would take MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more than what you've described to be an issue unless you already have some serious heart issues.

    Nope don't have any heart issues but thanks for the thought. Im just new to doing serious cardio workouts and wanted to get some info before starting a routine that would hurt me more than it helps me in the long run. Like I said I cut my cardio workouts down from 1 hour a day to 30 minutes a day considering I'm doing it 5 days consecutive in a week anyway. My main thing was I'm trying to figure out if going slow and easy on a treadmill(or any cardio intensive machine) even counts as cardio. But in all honesty and I'm not talking about you here because you've been nice with your replies but I don't think most people who are replying even know what cardio is or means. Like they truly think cardio means burning calories it seems like.
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    What are your goals? Cardio specifically targets cardiovascular health. It’s about hitting specific heart rates.

    If you want fat loss with muscle preservation as a lifter, shorter, more intense sessions are beneficial. If ramping up for competition, back off intensity a bit.

    HIT is very good too. No more than about 20 mins for muscle preservation and fat loss. In some cases, it can be as little as 10 mins if done right.

    Only if you want endurance do I recommend doing 45 mins or longer. Fuel systems begin to change after a point and muscle loss if more likely.
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    Originally Posted by SuffolkPunch View Post
    Try it and see OP

    There is no magic formula to tell you the maximum safe dose of cardio. All exercise eats into your recovery ability.

    Cardio and strength/hypertrophy related goals can run in parallel to some degree but as you get more advanced one is going to elbow the other out.

    Nobody can precisely predict where this starts happening because your recovery ability is different to someone elses - and it can change over time too.

    So the bottom line is: try it and see. Objectively measure your progress towards both goals and monitor...

    One thing that's worth mentioning is that steady state cardio can exist alongside weight training more comfortably than higher intensity cardio like HIIT because they use different energy pathways.
    Thanks for the kind and informative reply. But I'm not really trying to figure out what kind of cardio or what works best for me. What I'm trying to figure out is if I do extremely easy treadmill or cardio machine work after I get done doing my cardio workout session to continue burning calories would that even count as cardio considering my heart rate wouldn't really be getting raised from doing it. My question 100% is what would be great ways to burn extra calories after my cardio workout is done without getting a cardio intensive workout in.
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    Originally Posted by Kraken View Post
    What are your goals? Cardio specifically targets cardiovascular health. It’s about hitting specific heart rates.

    If you want fat loss with muscle preservation as a lifter, shorter, more intense sessions are beneficial. If ramping up for competition, back off intensity a bit.

    HIT is very good too. No more than about 20 mins for muscle preservation and fat loss. In some cases, it can be as little as 10 mins if done right.

    Only if you want endurance do I recommend doing 45 mins or longer. Fuel systems begin to change after a point and muscle loss if more likely.

    I'm not trying to plan a cardio workout. I already have my cardio workout down. What I'm trying to figure out is how I can burn good calories without getting a cardio intensive workout. That's why I was wondering if going extremely easy/slow on a treadmill or other cardio machine would even count as cardio considering my heart rate wouldn't be elevated much if at all while doing that.
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    Originally Posted by CJthehuman View Post
    I'm not trying to plan a cardio workout. I already have my cardio workout down. What I'm trying to figure out is how I can burn good calories without getting a cardio intensive workout. That's why I was wondering if going extremely easy/slow on a treadmill or other cardioachine would even count cardio considering my heart rate wouldn't be elevated much if at all while doing that.
    A heart rate of about 120 is required for cardio. If you aren’t hitting that, you aren’t doing cardio. You will have to check your heart rate during exercise if you want to know if you’re doing cardio or not . If that is your only goal, then that is what you need to do
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    Originally Posted by CJthehuman View Post
    Thanks for the kind and informative reply. But I'm not really trying to figure out what kind of cardio or what works best for me. What I'm trying to figure out is if I do extremely easy treadmill or cardio machine work after I get done doing my cardio workout session to continue burning calories would that even count as cardio considering my heart rate wouldn't really be getting raised from doing it. My question 100% is what would be great ways to burn extra calories after my cardio workout is done without getting a cardio intensive workout in.
    If you are just trying to create a calorie deficit then simply eat less - it's much more efficient than trying to burn it off afterwards.
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    Just walking 10k steps a day should be your MINIMUM for your your cardiovascular and General health.

    This recommendation comes from medical professionals.

    And yes it counts as cardio and will benefit your cardio respiratory system and burn calories. People seem to have very strange arbitrary idea what it is it seems xD

    Although moving a little faster than "a slow walk" would likely be more efficient for burning for depending on your fitness levels. (although not eating them in the first place is better if you have a lot to burn off)

    Doing more is likely better, certainly not worse or bad for you. Certainly won't Damage your heart doing a bit of walking or running every day...

    Adults should:

    aim to be physically active every day. Any activity is better than none, and more is better still
    do strengthening activities that work all the major muscles (legs, hips, back, abdomen, chest, shoulders and arms) on at least 2 days a week
    do at least 150 minutes of moderate intensity activity a week or 75 minutes of vigorous intensity activity a week
    reduce time spent sitting or lying down and break up long periods of not moving with some activity.
    You can also achieve your weekly activity target with:

    several short sessions of very vigorous intensity activity
    a mix of moderate, vigorous and very vigorous intensity activity
    Make sure the type and intensity of your activity is appropriate for your level of fitness.

    You can do your weekly target of physical activity on a single day or over 2 or more days. Whatever suits you.

    These guidelines are also suitable for:

    disabled adults
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    When you start exercising after pregnancy, make sure your physical activity choices reflect your activity levels before pregnancy. You should include strength training.

    After your 6 to 8 week postnatal check, you can start to do more intense activities if you feel you're able to. Vigorous activity is not recommended if you were inactive before pregnancy.
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    Im just new to doing serious cardio workouts and wanted to get some info before starting a routine that would hurt me more than it helps me in the long run.
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    All these comments and still OP hasn't mentioned what the goals are.

    OP, WHY are you doing cardio specifically? What are your goals? Why do you keep asking what "counts"? WTF does it mean to "count" as cardio? There's no way to answer your questions because you gave no info on goals. Are you trying to lose weight? Gain strength? Improve athletic performance? Walk up the stairs without getting winded? Lift children all day? ???

    One thing I can say is you surely aren't doing "too much" cardio if your goals involve high cardio fitness. For 5 years I rode my bike fast 10,000 miles per year including 50 races each year, and that wasn't too much for health, although I did burn out after 5 years.
    April 2021.................16 week cut.................168 lbs
    2020......................375 / 285 / 505..............186 lbs
    Pre-COVID..............335 / 295 / 499..............185 lbs
    July 1, 2019................9 week cut.................164 lbs
    Late April 2019.........285 / 275 / 440.............178 lbs
    Oct, 2018..............175x6 / 145x6 / 275x5......163 lbs
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    Someone better alert every professional athlete to quit now since OPs elliptical training is dangerous. Pretty sure OP is just trolling at this point.
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