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    Texans need to just trade Watson already

    i am usually a proponent of not giving into athletes demanding trades when still under contract but there is not a good ending result out of this for Houston. he clearly wants out and is not enamored with a Hc hire of a 63yo guy with no experience.

    they need to trade him before the draft to get bundle of picks to make their own decision on them. then again this is the same franchise that traded a top 3 WR for an injury prone RB and a 2nd round pick lmfao
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    Trade him for Russ because I'm already tired of hearing that story too.


    Texans weren't technically on his list but they're in the same tier as the Dolphins and Jets. lol


    Assuming there's extra compensation, which team says no?
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    Originally Posted by NorrinRadd12 View Post
    If I'm Houston I call the Jets first

    You get Watson but here's what I want

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    I can’t imagine Houston not asking for at least another 1st next year as well
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    Originally Posted by HtotheOV View Post
    I can’t imagine Houston not asking for at least another 1st next year as well
    That's already basically 4 #1s. Watson is good but you think he's worth 5 #1s?
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    Yeah they definitely should. Obrien has gutted that organization and they are years away from being competitive, with or without Watson. Might as well trade him and get a haul of picks in return to help the rebuilding process.
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    Originally Posted by NorrinRadd12 View Post
    That's already basically 4 #1s. Watson is good but you think he's worth 5 #1s?
    Nah. Darnold is worth at Most a 2nd +later pick. Thats been his asking price. And the second is a second. I understand its close enough to round 1, but because the NFL has the 5th year option for first rounders, it cant be valued as such.

    Also am I nuts for thinking maybe the Texans would be better off looking for future 2022 picks? Without a combine and with so many opt outs this is going to be a wild draft anyway. if im Houston and won't compete this year anyway, I want picks in a draft I know more about.
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    Why are the Texans releasing these players and not getting late round picks for them?

    They just released their center who is decent.

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    They will probably do the same thing the Rockets did with Harden. They will have a chitty drama-filled off-season talking about the issue, they won't trade him, they will start him the first few games and he will obviously play as if he doesn't give a chit, the locker room will become a mess, and they will trade him for probably less than they could have gotten in the off-season. It's almost becoming the "Houston special."


    Originally Posted by HtotheOV View Post
    i am usually a proponent of not giving into athletes demanding trades when still under contract but there is not a good ending result out of this for Houston. he clearly wants out and is not enamored with a Hc hire of a 63yo guy with no experience.

    they need to trade him before the draft to get bundle of picks to make their own decision on them. then again this is the same franchise that traded a top 3 WR for an injury prone RB and a 2nd round pick lmfao


    In other sports, I would agree but in the NFL with their non-guaranteed contracts, we often see how much loyalty team owners truly have for their players. With the power to release them at any point in their contract [With the only reason they don't being because of the financials]. With the power to handcuff players to their franchise without a long term contract with the outdated franchise tag nonsense. We also see that especially with QBs, with the Patriots disrespecting Brady, GB drafting AR's replacement when he obviously still has some years left, and Seattle getting triggered just because Russ pointed out the obvious that he needs a better offensive line. So yeah, fuk ownership. Very few players have leverage so good for them if they are able to use it.
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    Yeah they definitely should. Obrien has gutted that organization and they are years away from being competitive, with or without Watson. Might as well trade him and get a haul of picks in return to help the rebuilding process.
    I was reading some comments on profootballtalk and came across these comments yesterday.

    DeAndre Hopkins – 1,400 yds and 6 TDs at $27,250,000/yr (TWENTY SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS!!!)
    David Johnson – 1,000 yds and 8 TDs at $11,000,000/yr PLUS a 2nd rd pick.

    AND Deshaun Watson had his best career year WITHOUT Hopkins.

    So I guess O’Brien actually was right about the trade – offense lost 400 yards, gained 2 extra TDS, saved the Texans $16,000,000 a year AND a 2nd round pick.
    Someone commented on Watson's numbers mostly coming when the opposing team was ahead and their defenses were in soft coverage, to which he replied:

    Um, you should check DeAndre Hopkins 2020 stat splits first:

    When Leading or Tied: 45 catches on 67 targets, 667 yards, 3 TDs
    When Trailing: 70 catches on 93 targets, 740 yards 3 TDs

    Seems to me Hopkins was benefitting from “soft” coverage too. And doesn’t that mean the Texans were running LESS with David Johnson because they were behind, so his stats coud’ve been even better? Again, that supports the fact O’Brien made the right trade here.
    And another analysis he gave of BOB's trades:

    Let’s look at at the major trades that he was mercilessly criticized:

    1) WR Hopkins for RB Johnson & 2nd rd pick – Hopkins wanted $25m/yr and O’Brien said no. Johnson had 1,000 yds production and 2 more TDs at 1/3 the cost. Winner? TEXANS.

    2) 2 first rounders for LT Tunsil & WR Stills. Tunsil has made 2 straight Pro Bowls, gave up only TWO sacks all year and fixed his penalty problem. Cornerstone LT for another 8-10 years. Miami’s 2020 CB pick sat on the bench. Winner? TEXANS.

    3) Jadeveon Clowney for a bag of footballs. Clowney demanded $20m/yr and O’Brien said no. Clowney in Seattle and Tennessee DISAPPEARED as usual. 3 sacks in two years. THREE. Winner by subtraction? TEXANS.

    Just a different way at looking at the situations. BOB was a phaggot coach and GM.
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    The Tunsil trade is indefinable imo, I would even say as bad as the Hopkins deal

    You can trade 2 firsts for a franchise LT if you get him with years left on his rookie deal, or you can give him a market setting salary if he's a free agent or a resigning.

    You can't trade 2 firsts AND give him market setting money, its just too much resources into one player
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    Originally Posted by Lunatic View Post
    I was reading some comments on profootballtalk and came across these comments yesterday.



    Someone commented on Watson's numbers mostly coming when the opposing team was ahead and their defenses were in soft coverage, to which he replied:



    And another analysis he gave of BOB's trades:




    Just a different way at looking at the situations. BOB was a phaggot coach and GM.
    Yeah I didn't really fault him for the Clowney trade. He's always seemingly underperformed in the NFL anyways.

    A top tier WR is so much more valuable than an aging RB in the current NFL meta. Texans definitely did not win that trade. Especially considering what they did to make up for losing Hopkins by overpaying Cooks.

    As for the Tunsil trade, this guy nails it:

    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    The Tunsil trade is indefinable imo, I would even say as bad as the Hopkins deal

    You can trade 2 firsts for a franchise LT if you get him with years left on his rookie deal, or you can give him a market setting salary if he's a free agent or a resigning.

    You can't trade 2 firsts AND give him market setting money, its just too much resources into one player
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