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    Usman or GSP (Goat WW)



    who is the Goat at WW


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    Has to be Usman, game has developed since GSP. When it comes to skillset, GSP has more tools but if they fought each other in their prime, I'd give the edge to Kamaru.
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    Like clockwork... every few months a new “GOAT” appears. Noob fans... when will they learn?


    You are all so naive and gullible.

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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    Like clockwork... every few months a new “GOAT” appears. Noob fans... when will they learn?


    You are all so naive and gullible.

    LOL
    He said goat of this division.

    Given Kamaru's record and dominance he is definitely the contender for goat of his division. He's actually far more dominant than GSP ever was. If they were to fight I think Kamaru would hurt him very bad. Nonetheless we have to see how long he holds the belt for.

    Also people hate Usman OP so most people are going to side with GSP based on personality (almost something a woman would do...).
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    Like clockwork... every few months a new “GOAT” appears. Noob fans... when will they learn?


    You are all so naive and gullible.

    LOL
    ive been watching UFC for 21+ years
    fuk outta here
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    Could he surpass gsp? Sure

    Has he? Not yet and he has a ways to go.
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    Originally Posted by Coach McGuirk View Post
    Could he surpass gsp? Sure

    Has he? Not yet and he has a ways to go.
    Not sure about 'ways to go' man. He's dominating people that don't get dominated.
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    Originally Posted by Ravishing_Rick View Post
    ive been watching UFC for 21+ years
    fuk outta here
    So what? I watched first UFC and before, before you were born, I also actually train LOL

    Here is a rule: if some new guy won a few fights you do NOT get to compare him to Tyson, Ali, Fedor, GSP etc. You just don’t get to do it, unless you want to sound like a moron. Over the years there have been SOOOO many of these threads. It’s so stupid.
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    So what? I watched first UFC and before, before you were born, I also actually train LOL

    Here is a rule: if some new guy won a few fights you do NOT get to compare him to Tyson, Ali, Fedor, GSP etc. You just don’t get to do it, unless you want to sound like a moron. Over the years there have been SOOOO many of these threads. It’s so stupid.
    he beat Tyron, Jorge, Colby, Dos Anjos, Maia,Edwards
    pass the record and still going

    i dont even like Usman

    GSP got whooped by Hendricks
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    Prime Usman kills prime GSP. The only thing we can't consider is how good GSP would be in today's era. Usman has access to better training methods, more fight information, etc.
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    LOL how is this even a comparison? You guys must have forgotten how good the competition was when GSP was defending his belt. All the following fighters were on their prime and were tearing chit up and all of them got dominated and looked amateur against GOATSP. Prime Hughes, Penn, Koscheck, Fitch, Alves, Condit, Shields... What kind of GOAT has to call out a mid tier fighter like Masvidal because he can't sell fights in a weak ass division??
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    GSP defended the belt NINE times. It would be more if it wasn't for the blip that was Matt Serra. That's what separates great fighters from the GOATs.


    Usman has defended the belt three times. He fought an over the hill RDA and Demian Maia. I will admit though Woodley, Colby and Burns are good victories though and he's looked dominant thus far. However, guys look dominant until they don't, so we'll see how far Usman can take this. I remember people saying chit about Tyron on how he was unbeatable and the next WW GOAT until he got thoroughly destroyed by Usman. The game changes quickly. One bad performance, a solid punch or kick, etc. It's hard to be consistent and top of your game for a very long time which was what GSP was.

    GSP was dominant for 7 years with one loss during that time. Beat the likes of Matt Hughes, Alves, Condit, Penn, Koscheck, Shields, etc. Even outside his title reign, he beat some legit monsters.

    Usman is 33 years old so time isn't necessarily on his side, he's wrestled all his life and likely has picked up a lot of wear and tear throughout his career. If he can defend his belt a few more times while notching a few more victories then maybe the conversation can be had. Unfortunately there aren't that many quality opponents in the WW division right now. Wonderboy probably makes the most sense or maybe Colby. But man that Usman jab cracks and I'm not sure Colby can last 5 rounds being jabbed in the face.
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    marty is years away from even getting close to GSP. lol @thinking otherwise
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    Originally Posted by Ravishing_Rick View Post
    he beat Tyron, Jorge, Colby, Dos Anjos, Maia,Edwards
    pass the record and still going

    i dont even like Usman

    GSP got whooped by Hendricks

    You are using what’s called MMA Math. A version of it. It’s a logical fallacy: fighter A beat this guy, that guy, this guy, that guy, and that guy, therefore fighter A is better than fighter B Because fighter B lost to this guy and that guy. It’s stupid, and you should know better.

    Next year there will be a thread exactly like this one asking wether some new guy is greater than GSP. Then another thread like this every year for the next 20 years, and always compared to GSP. That fact alone answers your question. I remember threads like this about every GOAT like Tyson and Fedor going back decades. That fact that only those names stay the same is your answer.
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    GSP's record is so much better that anyone trying to compare it to Usman's should be embarrassed.

    Usman has fought:

    post-Covid Burns (his cardio looked superhuman vs Woodley, looked chit vs Usman)
    6 day notice Masvidal (Usman held on for dear life and foot stomped his way to a decision)
    Colby (who was up 3-1 on two scorecards before the questionable stoppage)
    A washed up Woodley (he's on a 3 fight skid, starting with the Usman fight)
    RDA (a lightweight)

    We're comparing this to GSP? Is this a sick joke?

    If we're talking skill vs skill, a hypothetical fight, it's still not close. GSP was the best athlete we have ever seen in MMA. He was also one of the smartest and most skilled fighters.

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    Originally Posted by ninetynine8 View Post
    He said goat of this division.

    Given Kamaru's record and dominance he is definitely the contender for goat of his division. He's actually far more dominant than GSP ever was. If they were to fight I think Kamaru would hurt him very bad. Nonetheless we have to see how long he holds the belt for.

    Also people hate Usman OP so most people are going to side with GSP based on personality (almost something a woman would do...).
    You say GOAT of the division but some people argue that GSP is the GOAT I would put him and Jon as 1a and 1b. Usman is nowhere near GOAT status yet.
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    GSP defended his belt way more.

    I think pre-ACL surgery GSP beats Usman.
    Footwork keeps him out of danger and once his opponent overextends he puts them on their back.
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    Originally Posted by M0nkeyPrick View Post
    You say GOAT of the division but some people argue that GSP is the GOAT I would put him and Jon as 1a and 1b. Usman is nowhere near GOAT status yet.
    Jon Jones cannot be goat, would you put Sammy schilt as k1 goat? Then I guess shaq is basketball goat? Just shove defenders away using your 400 lbs ass and put the ball in the basket using your 25 feet tall height, who needs Jordan skill?

    Goat has to be someone who actually has skills, that overcome size disadvantage, Jones is actually not among the most skilled fighters, just a genetic freak steroid using athlete who enjoys massive reach and size advantage over his opponents. Jones is basically participating in special olympics while not being retarded. Jones is setting a female world deadlift record while identifying as a female. Jones’s body simply tolerated more drugs and weight cut. He was cleanly beat by machida and several others until they simply could not any longer cope with his size as the fight went on.

    Technically speaking Jones’s style and skill set is basically this:

    Take a trident in each hand, poke your opponent with it. The end.

    I’m sorry. This is not skill. It’s something Jones should thank his parents for,
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    Jon Jones cannot be goat, would you put Sammy schilt as k1 goat? Then I guess shaq is basketball goat? Just shove defenders away using your 400 lbs ass and put the ball in the basket using your 25 feet tall height, who needs Jordan skill?

    Goat has to be someone who actually has skills, that overcome size disadvantage, Jones is actually not among the most skilled fighters, just a genetic freak steroid using athlete who enjoys massive reach and size advantage over his opponents. Jones is basically participating in special olympics while not being retarded. Jones is setting a female world deadlift record while identifying as a female. Jones’s body simply tolerated more drugs and weight cut. He was cleanly beat by machida and several others until they simply could not any longer cope with his size as the fight went on.

    Technically speaking Jones’s style and skill set is basically this:

    Take a trident in each hand, poke your opponent with it. The end.

    I’m sorry. This is not skill. It’s something Jones should thank his parents for,
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    This shouldn't even be a question. GSP > Hughes >>> anybody else.

    Usman would need like 5 more title defences to even be in the conversation.
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    Jon Jones cannot be goat, would you put Sammy schilt as k1 goat? Then I guess shaq is basketball goat? Just shove defenders away using your 400 lbs ass and put the ball in the basket using your 25 feet tall height, who needs Jordan skill?

    Goat has to be someone who actually has skills, that overcome size disadvantage, Jones is actually not among the most skilled fighters, just a genetic freak steroid using athlete who enjoys massive reach and size advantage over his opponents. Jones is basically participating in special olympics while not being retarded. Jones is setting a female world deadlift record while identifying as a female. Jones’s body simply tolerated more drugs and weight cut. He was cleanly beat by machida and several others until they simply could not any longer cope with his size as the fight went on.

    Technically speaking Jones’s style and skill set is basically this:

    Take a trident in each hand, poke your opponent with it. The end.

    I’m sorry. This is not skill. It’s something Jones should thank his parents for,
    Originally Posted by Ravishing_Rick View Post
    are you fuking srs?
    While I see your point (about Jones having a huge advantage due to his natural gifts) that doesn't make him less great of a FIGHTER. Being the best fighter isn't about overcoming adversity, it's about being the greatest fighter...
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    I think right now gsp still has it. But usman is close to matching that greatness, if anyone can do it, its usman. By the end of his career he may very well over take gsp. The crazy thing is he is still improving a lot too, he can be even better
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    Jon Jones cannot be goat, would you put Sammy schilt as k1 goat? Then I guess shaq is basketball goat? Just shove defenders away using your 400 lbs ass and put the ball in the basket using your 25 feet tall height, who needs Jordan skill?

    Goat has to be someone who actually has skills, that overcome size disadvantage, Jones is actually not among the most skilled fighters, just a genetic freak steroid using athlete who enjoys massive reach and size advantage over his opponents. Jones is basically participating in special olympics while not being retarded. Jones is setting a female world deadlift record while identifying as a female. Jones’s body simply tolerated more drugs and weight cut. He was cleanly beat by machida and several others until they simply could not any longer cope with his size as the fight went on.

    Technically speaking Jones’s style and skill set is basically this:

    Take a trident in each hand, poke your opponent with it. The end.

    I’m sorry. This is not skill. It’s something Jones should thank his parents for,
    So if someone was so naturally gifted and dominant they could just get a 1st round KO every fight with no training they wouldn't be the GOAT? This argument makes no sense.
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    Originally Posted by CptClean View Post
    So if someone was so naturally gifted and dominant they could just get a 1st round KO every fight with no training they wouldn't be the GOAT? This argument makes no sense.
    If Jones fought at his actual size (HW) and went 30-0 during the era of all top HWs and faced a dozen top 10 guys in the process he would be GOAT. And of course if he didn’t use steroids.
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    If Jones fought at his actual size (HW) and went 30-0 during the era of all top HWs and faced a dozen top 10 guys in the process he would be GOAT. And of course if he didn’t use steroids.
    you youre saying Khabib is that Goat?
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    If Jones fought at his actual size (HW) and went 30-0 during the era of all top HWs and faced a dozen top 10 guys in the process he would be GOAT. And of course if he didn’t use steroids.
    You don't really think any of those guys are natty do you?
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