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    Should I perform this engine swap? (2017 Type R to a 2020 Civic Hatch Sport)

    So I have a 2020 Civic Hatch sport (6-speed MT). I bought it brand new back in March so I only have about 3300 miles on the car. However, there is a shop near me that has a 2017 Type R Engine+transmission with only 2800 miles on it. They're charging $9k for the engine. So I started doing the math;

    My car ran me about $23k
    A Type R costs about $35k but the stealership would never sell a Type R at MSRP

    If I were to buy this engine and put it in my car I'd probably have to make some minor adjustments to the axle and the brakes to accommodate the engine, but on top of all of that it would still come out less than MSRP of a Type R.

    Should I make this swap? I would be going from 180 HP to 309HP (JDM engine).

    https://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/j...c-type-r-k20c/





    Even better, Since my engine is so new, I can probably just trade the shop my current engine and I would just pay the difference (since the type R engine would cost more than my 1.5L turbo). I'm sure there's probably someone with a Civic LX that wouldn't mind an upgrade to a 1.5L.
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    The type R has a lot more to it than just the engine...

    Also, who would pay to swap your engine into a base model civic?
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    Not into a 2020 under warranty. Find an old one on the cheap and shoehorn it in to make that sleeper.
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    Originally Posted by sumolgi View Post
    Not into a 2020 under warranty. Find an old one on the cheap and shoehorn it in to make that sleeper.
    That seems like a lot of extra work. Theyre both 10th gen so the bodies are fairly similar

    Don't really care about the warranty its already paid off.

    Also, the way it stands stock, my car is already a sleeper. Im not beating anyone in a race (unless I hook it up with HonData). And even then I would only be able to safely get an additional 20-25hp making it (at best) on par with a stock SI.
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    Originally Posted by Maestro View Post
    So I have a 2020 Civic Hatch sport (6-speed MT). I bought it brand new back in March so I only have about 3300 miles on the car. However, there is a shop near me that has a 2017 Type R Engine+transmission with only 2800 miles on it. They're charging $9k for the engine. So I started doing the math;

    My car ran me about $23k
    A Type R costs about $35k but the stealership would never sell a Type R at MSRP

    If I were to buy this engine and put it in my car I'd probably have to make some minor adjustments to the axle and the brakes to accommodate the engine, but on top of all of that it would still come out less than MSRP of a Type R.

    Should I make this swap? I would be going from 180 HP to 309HP (JDM engine).

    Even better, Since my engine is so new, I can probably just trade the shop my current engine and I would just pay the difference (since the type R engine would cost more than my 1.5L turbo). I'm sure there's probably someone with a Civic LX that wouldn't mind an upgrade to a 1.5L.
    First, you haven't looked into this at all if you think that this will be as simple as 23+9=32. For starters, who is doing the swap for you?

    Second, you're going to end up with a POS one-wheel-drive ****box with little Civic brakes and soft Civic suspension. Why on earth would you want to drive that?

    Third, if you wanted a fast car, why did you buy a brand new 180hp car? Earlier this year I bought a 2yr old Ford for the same amount but it has way more tech, better traction, and more power/torque than even the Type R. In other words, sell your ****box and get a better car instead of trying to polish a turd.
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    This is a terrible purchase and I highly suggest you scrap this idea before you get yourself into a mess of trouble. After all is said and done you will have paid more than a brand new R even with the dealership markups without any of the residual value perks.
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    All that fkn work for 309HP @ the crank? lolz

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    You will be time, effort, and money ahead by selling your current car and buying the car you want.

    If you swap you will end up with an unreliable endless money pit that will have horrible resale value.

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    The type R has a lot more to it than just the engine...

    Also, who would pay to swap your engine into a base model civic?
    This, also how will the ecu handle the Frankenstein car?

    Also the resale value will become zero.

    Ls swap it obviously
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    That's a terrible idea. You'd be better off buying a Type R.

    If you're going to swap it, do it with something like Civic EK or S2000
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    100% No. Take that 9k pay off principle of current civic.
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    If you wanted a fast car you shouldve just gotten a C6 vette or a new/used 5.0.
    I am sure you'll end up spending more than the cost of a type r with that idea. Engine swaps are never simple especially when dumping a high performance one into an economy car.
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    Fkn lol at not LS swapping it
    fukkin kek @ LS swaps.


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    If you're willing to spend that much money for ~300hp and you're set on keeping that car, a much cheaper option is the 27won w1 drop in turbo, downpipe, and a flex fuel kit. You'd save money even if you built the block. On 91 you'd make about 280whp 280wtq and with 30% ethanol you'd push to maybe 310-320, but not as much as an Si would. If you don't touch the intake and the exhaust past the downpipe you'll have a decent sleeper for a new civic
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    $9k for a fuking civic type r engine??!? lmaooooooo bruh

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    imagine spending all this money on a civic to have a 18 year old boy smoke you in a $7k 335i. lol

    lol at sleeper..
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    If you want a racecar, sell the fkn Civic and buy a racecar. Trying to turn an econobox into a respectably fast car is generally a fruitless endeavor, and for the money/time invested you are FAR better off starting with something performance oriented.
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    No, this will be a huge pain in the ass for you and your car. Its may not even work right without an addition 5-8k in additional mods. Buying a car from the factory ready to go is the only way to go without facing potentially significant issues.
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    lol this would be incredibly hard. forget the physical stuff, you need someone to custom program an ECU and to custom program and edit whatever Honda CAN BUS crap is needed.

    You need someone or someones to play as a mechanic, a machinist, a welder and an electrician and Honda electronics technician.


    You know why you see the same engine swaps over and over again, like another LS miata and think oh look that guys unoriginal, thats because someone has already took out the experiments and guesswork and made a tried and true method, some even sell kits.
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    No. Torque steer, heavily modding something that just isn't a prime candidate to be heavily modded, etc. Honda also (usually) doesn't overbuild things like their transmissions, diffs, etc. Etc. So take some random base economodel, push 400whp, and things will start breaking. You could upgrade everything, but then you should have just started from a totally different chassis and kept this as a econodaily

    Edit: also the type r engine isn't special enough to command that kind of cost. It's a good turbo 4, that's it. There are better turbo 4s, and there are LS's, N54/b58s, etc. All of which are cheaper and comparable or better
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