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    BCAA, is it worth it or a better intra workout?

    Okay guys so what are your opinions on BCAA? I started taking them just as a intraworkout with my beetroot juice just because I thought something was better than nothing.

    Now I know if your diet is correct then the need for BCAA really isnt necessary however I dont know if I do get it through my diet or not, so was wondering what you guys reckon?
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    Useless waste of money:
    https://mauiathletics.com/bcaa/

    Edit: You'll see this article references numerous peer reviewed journal articles, the post below posted by an employee of a supplement company is written by the "bcaa institute of technology" and states "facts" without a single reference. Take that however you wish.
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    Originally Posted by zacharygeczy View Post
    Okay guys so what are your opinions on BCAA? I started taking them just as a intraworkout with my beetroot juice just because I thought something was better than nothing.

    Now I know if your diet is correct then the need for BCAA really isnt necessary however I dont know if I do get it through my diet or not, so was wondering what you guys reckon?
    10 grams intra-workout, enjoy!
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    Whole protein > EAA /BCAA. If you wanted something intra you're better off with a carb product, but most likely the average joe has no need for anything intra, directly post, or nutrient timing in general. The 0.00001% some of these things (might) help isso minuscule in the full spectrum it's not worth the cost or hassle.



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    I used bcaa’s intra for years. I honestly haven’t seen a difference now that I stopped. But if you enjoy flavored water, more power to you.
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    you should look up confirmation bias.



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    Facts are facts and trying to sell a product is trying to sell a product
    Im not trying to sell anything. BB.com has numerous brands of BCAAs to choose from
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    Originally Posted by zacharygeczy View Post
    Okay guys so what are your opinions on BCAA? I started taking them just as a intraworkout with my beetroot juice just because I thought something was better than nothing.

    Now I know if your diet is correct then the need for BCAA really isnt necessary however I dont know if I do get it through my diet or not, so was wondering what you guys reckon?
    If you're eating sufficient protein through your nutrition then you are getting adequate amounts.

    When I first joined this site the big thing being pushed was BCAA consumption, still is to some extent but now it's all about EAA.

    I haven't used a BCAA or an EAA product for a while now and have noticed nothing different what so ever. What I have focused on primarily is my nutrition, training, hydration, and recovery. These factors have had the most impact on my overall success more so than any supplement I've taken.
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    If you're eating sufficient protein through your nutrition then you are getting adequate amounts.

    When I first joined this site the big thing being pushed was BCAA consumption, still is to some extent but now it's all about EAA.

    I haven't used a BCAA or an EAA product for a while now and have noticed nothing different what so ever. What I have focused on primarily is my nutrition, training, hydration, and recovery. These factors have had the most impact on my overall success more so than any supplement I've taken.

    Stop buying into BS with no data to back it. BCAAs are instantly available, EAAs are not, and I highly doubt any of us are eating enough protein daily to satisfy our amino pools on a consistent basis

    This argument over a supplement thats easily affordable and beneficial is absolutely ridiculous. If you're not noticing the benefits, you're obviously not training hard enough, and thats the truth
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    In addition to being useful for stimulating protein synthesis, there is evidence that getting sufficient BCAAs in the diet is associated with leanness. Surveys show that people with higher BCAA intake in their diets have less body fat, more muscle, and more body composition.

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    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    Stop buying into BS with no data to back it. BCAAs are instantly available, EAAs are not, and I highly doubt any of us are eating enough protein daily to satisfy our amino pools on a consistent basis

    This argument over a supplement thats easily affordable and beneficial is absolutely ridiculous. If you're not noticing the benefits, you're obviously not training hard enough, and thats the truth
    My protein intake is sufficient on a daily basis. I like to base my decision on what has worked for me and I have not experienced anything that would validate my need for a BCAA product. I have experienced great progress with a simplistic supplement regiment that doesn't include BCAA or EAA, on top of focusing on my nutrition, training, and recovery.

    If you say I'm not "training hard enough" I guess I'd have to disagree with that.
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    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    Stop buying into BS with no data to back it. BCAAs are, instantly available EAAs are not, and I highly doubt any of us are eating enough protein daily to satisfy our amino pools on a consistent basis

    This argument over a supplement thats easily affordable and beneficial is absolutely ridiculous. If you're not noticing the benefits, you're obviously not training hard enough, and thats the truth
    I hope you are trolling. First of all EAA would be as instantly available as BCAA. Second; i will let the research tell itself:

    "since muscle protein breakdown decreased, the availability of EAAs also fell, which in turn actually reduced the rate of muscle protein synthesis"

    ” It is therefore theoretically impossible for consumption of only BCAAs to create an anabolic state in which muscle protein synthesis exceeds muscle protein breakdown.”

    ” We can conclude from these two studies that BCAA infusion not only fails to increase the rate of muscle protein synthesis in human subjects, but actually reduces the rate of muscle protein synthesis and the rate of muscle protein turnover. The catabolic state was not reversed to an anabolic state in either study. Further, a sustained reduction in the rate of muscle protein turnover would be expected to have a detrimental effect on muscle strength, even if muscle mass is maintained.”


    https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/arti...970-017-0184-9

    You need all the EAA for protein synthesis, period. Now please show me your data from a non biased research.
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    Originally Posted by b_andersson View Post
    I hope you are trolling. First of all EAA would be as instantly available as BCAA. Second; i will let the research tell itself:

    "since muscle protein breakdown decreased, the availability of EAAs also fell, which in turn actually reduced the rate of muscle protein synthesis"

    ” It is therefore theoretically impossible for consumption of only BCAAs to create an anabolic state in which muscle protein synthesis exceeds muscle protein breakdown.”

    ” We can conclude from these two studies that BCAA infusion not only fails to increase the rate of muscle protein synthesis in human subjects, but actually reduces the rate of muscle protein synthesis and the rate of muscle protein turnover. The catabolic state was not reversed to an anabolic state in either study. Further, a sustained reduction in the rate of muscle protein turnover would be expected to have a detrimental effect on muscle strength, even if muscle mass is maintained.”


    https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/arti...970-017-0184-9

    You need all the EAA for protein synthesis, period. Now please show me your data from a non biased research.
    Stopped reading when RAT appeared. BCAAs intra-workout and a Protein Shake post-workout, the combo has you completely covered
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    Good read...



    Lucia will say he eats a rich protein meal high in BCAAs prior and after training. My question is, how intense
    are your training levels on a full stomach and are most of us able to eat another meal after training?

    BCAAs during training followed by a Protein Shake after training. So easy a caveman can do it
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    Good read...

    We need more studies on the garbage produced during training
    My secret? Texting between sets.
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    Originally Posted by b_andersson View Post
    I hope you are trolling. First of all EAA would be as instantly available as BCAA. Second; i will let the research tell itself:

    "since muscle protein breakdown decreased, the availability of EAAs also fell, which in turn actually reduced the rate of muscle protein synthesis"

    ” It is therefore theoretically impossible for consumption of only BCAAs to create an anabolic state in which muscle protein synthesis exceeds muscle protein breakdown.”

    ” We can conclude from these two studies that BCAA infusion not only fails to increase the rate of muscle protein synthesis in human subjects, but actually reduces the rate of muscle protein synthesis and the rate of muscle protein turnover. The catabolic state was not reversed to an anabolic state in either study. Further, a sustained reduction in the rate of muscle protein turnover would be expected to have a detrimental effect on muscle strength, even if muscle mass is maintained.”


    https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/arti...970-017-0184-9

    You need all the EAA for protein synthesis, period. Now please show me your data from a non biased research.
    You science guys might find this interesting...

    To stimulate muscle protein synthesis, it is important to increase the plasma levels of essential amino acids (EAA), especially leucine, by ingesting proteins. Protein hydrolysate ingestion can induce postprandial hyperaminoacidemia; however, it is unclear whether protein hydrolysate is associated with higher levels of aminoacidemia compared with a free amino acid mixture when both are ingested orally. We assessed the effects of whey protein hydrolysate (WPH) ingestion on postprandial aminoacidemia, especially plasma leucine levels, compared to ingestion of a free amino acid mixture. This study was an open-label, randomized, 4 × 4 Latin square design. After 12–15 h of fasting, 11 healthy young men ingested the WPH (3.3, 5.0, or 7.5 g of protein) or the EAA mixture (2.5 g). Blood samples were collected before ingestion and at time points from 10 to 120 min after ingestion, and amino acids, insulin, glucose and insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) concentrations in plasma were measured. Even though the EAA mixture and 5.0 g of the WPH contained similar amounts of EAA and leucine, the WPH was associated with significantly higher plasma EAA and leucine levels. These results suggest that the WPH can induce a higher level of aminoacidemia compared with a free amino acid mixture when both are ingested orally.

    Is it true that free form aminos like to compete with one another? Is too many a good thing or a bad thing, and are the big three really the most important?
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    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    You science guys might find this interesting...

    To stimulate muscle protein synthesis, it is important to increase the plasma levels of essential amino acids (EAA), especially leucine, by ingesting proteins. Protein hydrolysate ingestion can induce postprandial hyperaminoacidemia; however, it is unclear whether protein hydrolysate is associated with higher levels of aminoacidemia compared with a free amino acid mixture when both are ingested orally. We assessed the effects of whey protein hydrolysate (WPH) ingestion on postprandial aminoacidemia, especially plasma leucine levels, compared to ingestion of a free amino acid mixture. This study was an open-label, randomized, 4 × 4 Latin square design. After 12–15 h of fasting, 11 healthy young men ingested the WPH (3.3, 5.0, or 7.5 g of protein) or the EAA mixture (2.5 g). Blood samples were collected before ingestion and at time points from 10 to 120 min after ingestion, and amino acids, insulin, glucose and insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) concentrations in plasma were measured. Even though the EAA mixture and 5.0 g of the WPH contained similar amounts of EAA and leucine, the WPH was associated with significantly higher plasma EAA and leucine levels. These results suggest that the WPH can induce a higher level of aminoacidemia compared with a free amino acid mixture when both are ingested orally.

    Is it true that free form aminos like to compete with one another? Is too many a good thing or a bad thing, and are the big three really the most important?
    That was an intresting study. But it would be nice if they compared WPH and BCAA and not EAA. This study somewhat proves my point that you need complete EAA.

    We see in tryptophan that it will be pretty much ”useless” crossing the BB when consumed with other amino acids.
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    Originally Posted by b_andersson View Post
    That was an intresting study. But it would be nice if they compared WPH and BCAA and not EAA. This study somewhat proves my point that you need complete EAA.

    We see in tryptophan that it will be pretty much ”useless” crossing the BB when consumed with other amino acids.
    Did you miss this? Is it true that free form aminos like to compete with one another? Is too many a good thing or a bad thing, and are the big three really the most important?
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    Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post
    Did you miss this? Is it true that free form aminos like to compete with one another? Is too many a good thing or a bad thing, and are the big three really the most important?
    1) You need all the EAA for protein synthesis. So in short no (in the sense of protein synthesis)

    2) Too much of BCAA with the lack of the other EAA will be useless and result in oxidation.

    Studies do show that you could take less whey and add a bcaa for ”same result” BUT When it comes to cost/result taking whey before and a whey/meal after is sufficent if your daily intake of protein is on par with your goals.
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    Never spend money on bcaa

    Garbage waste of money. Don't buy marketing hype by companies trying to pu$h you for profit$
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Never spend money on bcaa

    Garbage waste of money. Don't buy marketing hype by companies trying to pu$h you for profit$
    People work hard for their muscle, and the security of BCAAs is well worth it for the most of us

    Also, drinking something beneficial tastes even better
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