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    I attended a 13 hour gender identity conference and I think my brain has melted

    More like anti gender identity, really.

    Speakers included Abigail Shrier, author of Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters, powerlifter and founder of Save Women's Sports Beth Stelzer, Attorney Kara Danskey, free speech advocate Megah Murphy, epidemiologist and detransitioned man Hacsci Horvath, and several young adult detransitioners including Sydney Wright and Keira Bell.
     
    I was surprised to see so many parents of older teens and young adults in attendance, and delightfully surprised to see so many men (note: full attendance was hidden to prevent doxxing, so I only saw who chose to use an avi in the Discord chat). One mother and activist, Lynn Meagher, spoke at length about losing both her son and daughter to what she perceives to be a cult. 

    Several speakers had me completely on board with what they were saying, but I'm still noodling on the idea that euphemistic phrases like "trans identifying males" or "trans women" shouldn't even be entertained. One particular speaker believed that adopting these terms deliberately obfuscates and confuses, and argued that women in particular should rely on their own perception and not be coerced into using this fake language. She referenced Andrea Dworkin's work around the "male power of naming," and that very time we say "trans women" or even "trans identifying" we are supporting every bit of bullchit and harm being done to us and others. Instead, she advocated for "men who demand I recognize them as women." Not so sure that I agree TBH. Thots?

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    don't a bunch of young girls become trans because it is a way of gaining acceptance and praise from their peers, and it has some link to autism? Apparently this is a big thing now. There were like no trans kids when I was in highschool a few years ago, so this is a very new phenomenon
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    13 fukking hours???
    This is where I am. Jeezus.
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    I hope there's a second session cause I don't think you could learn about gender identity in only 13 freaking hours, lulz.
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    I only understood half your post. Idk anything about the issues and I’m not exposed to any of this irl. I think I’m against transgender agenda but idk anything about it really.

    Literally the only place I hear about this is on misque. I don’t have tv so maybe that’s where people get this? And how do you even get to a seminar about this? Idk I can’t relate to a 13 hour seminar vs zero exposure irl like I have.
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    Originally Posted by Silencespeaks View Post
    Thot checking in

    I only understood half your post. Idk anything about the issues and I’m not exposed to any of this irl. I think I’m against transgender agenda but idk anything about it really.

    Literally the only place I hear about this is on misque. I don’t have tv so maybe that’s where people get this? And how do you even get to a seminar about this? Idk I can’t relate to a 13 hour seminar vs zero exposure irl like I have.
    Same. I don't have cable so don't watch the news and pretty much never hear about trans gender people IRL. I'm assuming you had to attend that meeting for work?
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    I think I occupy a weird place when it comes to all of this.

    I believe you, as the owner of your body, have the right to make whatever changes to it you desire. If you'd like to attach a machine gun where your dink used to be, you should be able to do that.

    If your name is Larry but you prefer to be called Sam, let me know that. As long as you don't expect me to know that beforehand, we are solid.

    Same thing if you wanna become a woman or a man. Solid.

    Just know that you have made a choice which has consequences and do not be upset with other people for having opinions on your decision.

    I generally don't care what people do provided that they are aware of the consequences of the decisions they make.
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    ...why?
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    The only tranny I knew I referred to as brah. 100% serious, it was a coworker too and I didn't get called to HR so I guess it's an trans approved pronoun?
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    Originally Posted by kingHanley View Post
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    That's something I enjoyed the most - not one speaker referred to any sort of mental illness. I recall one detransitioned speaker refer to the symptoms of a personality disorder that he adopted when he was transitioning. Otherwise there was a lot of thoughtfulness around why young girls seem to be transitioning at such alarming rates.

    Originally Posted by SlootMan View Post
    don't a bunch of young girls become trans because it is a way of gaining acceptance and praise from their peers, and it has some link to autism? Apparently this is a big thing now. There were like no trans kids when I was in highschool a few years ago, so this is a very new phenomenon
    Yes, there was a therapist who spoke about that phenomenon, and also how difficult it can be for any girl who doesn't feel like she fits in with her own peer group, then finds a group online who accepts her. I thought the social media bit was fascinating.



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    13 fukking hours???
    That is what I said, yes. You could pop in and out, I skipped about 1/4 of it.

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    I'm all for supporting TERFs until they start spewing their misandry about "male power structures" and "violent phallic forms"
    I didn't hear anything about violent phallic forms. I did hear about men reacting to women's words with violence, though. That's a real thing that happens and I'm glad it was talked about.

    Originally Posted by BraneyGumble View Post
    ...why?
    I think sex-based rights are being eroded and I want to stop it. I also worry about girls who despise being a girl so badly that they want to become a boy, and I want to stop that from happening. I find gender trends alarming and regressive, and bafflingly stupid how the left has decided that something is inherently wrong with gender nonconforming children, so wrong that they need to be fixed.
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    Same. I don't have cable so don't watch the news and pretty much never hear about trans gender people IRL. I'm assuming you had to attend that meeting for work?
    Yeah must be for work. I can’t recall having any conversation with anyone ever irl about transgender. Never see any or hear about any.

    EXCEPT there’s a transgender or maybe cross dresser idk guy profile that I always swipe past on tinder. He is looking for “open minded women” lmao.

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    Originally Posted by Silencespeaks View Post
    Yeah must be for work. I can’t recall having any conversation with anyone ever irl about transgender. Never see any or hear about any.

    EXCEPT there’s a transgender or maybe cross dresser idk guy profile that I always swipe past on tinder. He is looking for “open minded women” lmao.

    That’s literally my only exposure other than misc threads.
    Yep, I think I saw a couple on Tinder too. Don't know if transgender or cross dressers.

    I also didn't know there was a trend of young girls wanting to become boys. Seems all I hear about is the opposite.
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    Originally Posted by Silencespeaks View Post
    Thot checking in

    I only understood half your post. Idk anything about the issues and I’m not exposed to any of this irl. I think I’m against transgender agenda but idk anything about it really.

    Literally the only place I hear about this is on misque. I don’t have tv so maybe that’s where people get this? And how do you even get to a seminar about this? Idk I can’t relate to a 13 hour seminar vs zero exposure irl like I have.
    That's good, then. I heard about it from some friends. I deal with a lot of the stuff talked about in my ultra woke workspace.

    Originally Posted by Legz422 View Post
    Same. I don't have cable so don't watch the news and pretty much never hear about trans gender people IRL. I'm assuming you had to attend that meeting for work?
    No, I would be very surprised at any workplace sanctioning something like this. The attendee list had to be hidden so that people wouldn't be doxxed and fired from their jobs.

    Originally Posted by TypeNirvash View Post
    I think I occupy a weird place when it comes to all of this.

    I believe you, as the owner of your body, have the right to make whatever changes to it you desire. If you'd like to attach a machine gun where your dink used to be, you should be able to do that.

    If your name is Larry but you prefer to be called Sam, let me know that. As long as you don't expect me to know that beforehand, we are solid.

    Same thing if you wanna become a woman or a man. Solid.

    Just know that you have made a choice which has consequences and do not be upset with other people for having opinions on your decision.

    I generally don't care what people do provided that they are aware of the consequences of the decisions they make.
    I completely agree with you. I give zero fuks what adults chose to do with their body. I care when people dictate the words I can or cannot say, or when my private spaces are invaded, or when it's clear that men are sexually aroused by making women uncomfortable. And I care deeply whne adults try to tell children that there is something wrong with who they are born as. Otherwise, do whatever you want.

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    The only tranny I knew I referred to as brah. 100% serious, it was a coworker too and I didn't get called to HR so I guess it's an trans approved pronoun?
    I don't know.

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    That's good, then. I heard about it from some friends. I deal with a lot of the stuff talked about in my ultra woke workspace.


    No, I would be very surprised at any workplace sanctioning something like this. The attendee list had to be hidden so that people wouldn't be doxxed and fired from their jobs.


    I completely agree with you. I give zero fuks what adults chose to do with their body. I care when people dictate the words I can or cannot say, or when my private spaces are invaded, or when it's clear that men are sexually aroused by making women uncomfortable. Otherwise, do whatever you want.


    I don't know.


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    I think sex-based rights are being eroded and I want to stop it. I also worry about girls who despise being a girl so badly that they want to become a boy, and I want to stop that from happening. I find gender trends alarming and regressive, and bafflingly stupid how the left has decided that something is inherently wrong with gender nonconforming children, so wrong that they need to be fixed.

    My bad, should have specified that I was referring to the duration. 13 hours just seems excessive to me, even though I agree with your reasoning.
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    Originally Posted by redraider86 View Post
    That's good, then. I heard about it from some friends. I deal with a lot of the stuff talked about in my ultra woke workspace.


    No, I would be very surprised at any workplace sanctioning something like this. The attendee list had to be hidden so that people wouldn't be doxxed and fired from their jobs.


    I completely agree with you. I give zero fuks what adults chose to do with their body. I care when people dictate the words I can or cannot say, or when my private spaces are invaded, or when it's clear that men are sexually aroused by making women uncomfortable. And I care deeply whne adults try to tell children that there is something wrong with who they are born as. Otherwise, do whatever you want.


    I don't know.


    Why?
    We are of the same opinion on this, I think, then.

    As long as it isn't compulsory or made law that one is required to oblige every decision made by a small subset of the population, I am okay.

    But it does feel like it is going that direction... And it is so disingenuous to pretend that men and women are not different or "specialized" to certain roles. That is not to say that men and women cannot blur these lines a bit but wholly disregarding them is a bit of a different story and acting like the inherent traits of male and females don't exist is a bit silly.

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    My daughter attended high school in Northampton MA and there were a bunch of trans kids. They graduated 4 years ago and 3 of them have already killed themselves.

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    Originally Posted by Legz422 View Post
    Yep, I think I saw a couple on Tinder too. Don't know if transgender or cross dressers.

    I also didn't know there was a trend of young girls wanting to become boys. Seems all I hear about is the opposite.
    Yes, it seems as though it's mostly young girls wanting to become boys, and middle aged men wanting to become women. That's why I'm pretty over the misc "mentally ill" schtick - it's not helpful in discussing why girls are trying to opt out of puberty and their bodies. Why? Why are they doing that?

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    My bad, should have specified that I was referring to the duration. 13 hours just seems excessive to me, even though I agree with your reasoning.
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    On the latter part of the OP:

    Honestly, I fundamentally agree with that analysis regarding "meaning is use/validation". What certain interest groups try to do is "control the dialogue" - this is precisely what Bill C-16 in Canada does. Did this come up in the discussion?

    So what happens is that legislative moves are made, and interests groups try to normalize what is happening such that you don't even realize it. I guess parents might - some schools are probably running "gender fluid sensitivity" classes, now, to indoctrinate people with this way of speaking as early as possible to prevent people from just stopping and saying:

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