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    Thoughts on the BMW F10 V8s? N63tu etc.

    I've been looking at these lately, the F10 550i and 550ixdrives....how do the N63 and N63tu motors hold up as far as reliability and dependability?

    These things can be found for crazy cheap prices, seen '16s with low mileage for as low as 30k

    Great looking and performing cars, esp with the TT V8, but how do they hold up?
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    The N63 and S63 both have bad reputations. There was also a fuel pump issue that might have lasted several years between facelifts and models.
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    There's a reason they're ultra cheap. The rod bearings go out. BIG money job. Also fuel pump issues and excessive oil consumption. Don't do it.


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    DO NOT BUY A OUT OF WARRANTY TURBO V8 FROM BMW. unless under warranty but even then the car might spend most of its life in the shop getting repaired and you driving a 320i.

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    I have a 2010 F02 with 112k on it with the N63. I've owned it for several years now. Mine is has been pretty troublefree for the most part. They can consume oil, though. Mine consumes about a quart and 1/2 between oil changes. I've only had 1 check engine light and that was a loose hose for one of the turbos. I was getting an unbalanced boost ratio that threw a code.

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    Have a 2016 550i xdrive that I bought new. Awesome car to drive and handles great, but I had to replace the engine last year. More than likely there will be a recall coming up soon, but the newer engine is fantastic. If you don't have the ability to buy it new or certified I would look for something else
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    Originally Posted by wrassler45 View Post
    Have a 2016 550i xdrive that I bought new. Awesome car to drive and handles great, but I had to replace the engine last year. More than likely there will be a recall coming up soon, but the newer engine is fantastic. If you don't have the ability to buy it new or certified I would look for something else
    What was the cost if you had to pay out of pocket?
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    Originally Posted by KilaByte View Post
    What was the cost if you had to pay out of pocket?
    plus or minus 13k. Lucky for me I was covered, but I know some people who got burned pretty bad taking it to a non dealer and spending a couple grand on parts and labor just to be told the engine needs to be replaced


    I'll add the car is fantastic to drive now and definitely the car it was market as. I don't know if I'll for sure buy another BMW but so far this one would definitely make them an option for me
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    I have a '18 X5M (F85). It's a 4.4 TT V8 with zero issues to date, but it still has less than 20k miles on it. Not sure we'll keep it after the warranty is up.
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    Originally Posted by jlsnyderTypeR View Post
    I have a '18 X5M (F85). It's a 4.4 TT V8 with zero issues to date, but it still has less than 20k miles on it. Not sure we'll keep it after the warranty is up.
    Same engine that's in mine but updated to not have the same issues
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    Originally Posted by jlsnyderTypeR View Post
    I have a '18 X5M (F85). It's a 4.4 TT V8 with zero issues to date, but it still has less than 20k miles on it. Not sure we'll keep it after the warranty is up.
    I mean at under 20k miles even the old Chevy Vegas who were known for being bug spray cars were still holding up. If a car chits the bed at 20k there are some serious issues
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    Originally Posted by wrassler45 View Post
    Same engine that's in mine but updated to not have the same issues
    Good to hear!

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    I mean at under 20k miles even the old Chevy Vegas who were known for being bug spray cars were still holding up. If a car chits the bed at 20k there are some serious issues
    I'm not worried about low miles, but more like 10 years down the road if we keep it.
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    Run. Especially since the driver for your interest is price.

    I had a certified used n55 f10 2012 and after warranty went out only drove what felt like a ticking time bomb for a month before I got rid of it. Got to 101k miles and estimate about 10k worth if warranty work done for 200 bucks over the few years I had it. And that's the reliable inline 6 engine.

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    We should always keep in mind that forum posts with experience should be taken with a grain of salt. Some cars have issues and some don't. When people start to have issues with cars, they all hop on Google and complain in the same place, typically. That doesn't mean all BMW's of similar years will experience the same problems.

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    I've read the forums. Even the upgraded N63TU is horrible. Sucks because 550i can be had for 25k easy.

    Audi is the probably the only way to go regarding the Germans. The B8.5 S4 is said to be a very good car, you're also 1 tune away from 450hp.

    Not sure about current Mercedes, I don't think they even offer performance until you go into AMG.
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    Originally Posted by bobmuscle View Post
    I've been looking at these lately, the F10 550i and 550ixdrives....how do the N63 and N63tu motors hold up as far as reliability and dependability?

    These things can be found for crazy cheap prices, seen '16s with low mileage for as low as 30k

    Great looking and performing cars, esp with the TT V8, but how do they hold up?

    Don't listen to these guys. The N63 is a good motor. There were a few problem years when the engine first came out and it's been revised several times fixing various issues. If you buy an 18/19/20 you won't have any issues.


    Statistically very few N63 engines fail.


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    Originally Posted by eternalone423 View Post
    We should always keep in mind that forum posts with experience should be taken with a grain of salt. Some cars have issues and some don't. When people start to have issues with cars, they all hop on Google and complain in the same place, typically. That doesn't mean all BMW's of similar years will experience the same problems.

    If you like the car and want it, buy it.
    While there is truth to this, most consumers are not ready for the sticker shock of European luxury maintence and cost to repair. And if somebody is purchasing a BMW because it's so cheap compared to Lexus or Acura there should be many warnings they should be made aware of.
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    Originally Posted by DarthCholo View Post
    While there is truth to this, most consumers are not ready for the sticker shock of European luxury maintence and cost to repair. And if somebody is purchasing a BMW because it's so cheap compared to Lexus or Acura there should be many warnings they should be made aware of.

    This should be common knowledge. If you're concerned about "price" you shouldn't even be in the market for a twin turbo v8. The turbos have a life span of 30/60k miles generally. You won't be getting 100k+ of trouble free miles if you beat on a v8 with a power adder (supercharger, turbo) of any manufacturer.


    People had unrealistic expectations of this motor before buying it which is why it has a bad rep. If you don't make 100k+ and are willing to shell out 3/4 grand a year once the warranty is up you shouldn't be in the market for a German performance luxury car.



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    Originally Posted by swoleyo View Post
    This should be common knowledge. If you're concerned about "price" you shouldn't even be in the market for a twin turbo v8. The turbos have a life span of 30/60k miles generally. You won't be getting 100k+ of trouble free miles if you beat on a v8 with a power adder (supercharger, turbo) of any manufacturer.


    People had unrealistic expectations of this motor before buying it which is why it has a bad rep. If you don't make 100k+ and are willing to shell out 3/4 grand a year once the warranty is up you shouldn't be in the market for a German performance luxury car.



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    Uhhh no?
    Correct. That is just utter garbage. Should get plenty of mileage out of them, easily. As long as they are serviced properly of course.
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    Originally Posted by KilaByte View Post
    Uhhh no?
    Don't post false information without at least having a link to backup a claim

    https://automodifying.com/turbo-engine-lifespan/

    Tons of articles on these. Turbos generally last 30-60k when beat on. If you drive like grandma they may last longer.

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    Originally Posted by swoleyo View Post
    Don't post false information without at least having a link to backup a claim

    https://automodifying.com/turbo-engine-lifespan/

    Tons of articles on these. Turbos generally last 30-60k when beat on. If you drive like grandma they may last longer.

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    Lol ok "ASE" boyo, I guess that I have to tell all of the guys on the M3 forum that their turbos burned out 100k miles ago, crap if I listen to that I should change out the turbos every time I do my spark plugs which is 30k
    The M3 turbos don't sit on top of the engine cooking each other along with the oil feed pipes going into them.

    We were replacing a lot of these between 30 to 60k miles.

    Customers were also grenading these engines beating them and running stock/long oil changes around 150k.

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    I used to own an n55 f10 with my eyes wide open on costs. No way was I gonna get stick replacing a turbo at 120k miles.

    Usually BMW users think regular maintenance means replacing turbos on a car less than 5 years old. Drive like a grandma and yes, there's always that one guy who drives hella freeway miles and has 200k on stock turbo in 5 years of ownership. Is it possible? yes. But not likely.
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    While there is truth to this, most consumers are not ready for the sticker shock of European luxury maintence and cost to repair. And if somebody is purchasing a BMW because it's so cheap compared to Lexus or Acura there should be many warnings they should be made aware of.
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    Originally Posted by swoleyo View Post
    This should be common knowledge. If you're concerned about "price" you shouldn't even be in the market for a twin turbo v8. The turbos have a life span of 30/60k miles generally. You won't be getting 100k+ of trouble free miles if you beat on a v8 with a power adder (supercharger, turbo) of any manufacturer.


    People had unrealistic expectations of this motor before buying it which is why it has a bad rep. If you don't make 100k+ and are willing to shell out 3/4 grand a year once the warranty is up you shouldn't be in the market for a German performance luxury car.


    Nobody listens though. You see Uber drivers cruising around in BMW's....
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    I daily drive an 04 cobra - ported, pullied, intake/exhaust/tune/etc. - over 200K on it and I've done 0 maintenance other than brakes, oil, rear pinion seal, front hubs and throw-out bearing x2
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    Originally Posted by amusclehead View Post
    trolllolol?

    I daily drive an 04 cobra - ported, pullied, intake/exhaust/tune/etc. - over 200K on it and I've done 0 maintenance other than brakes, oil, rear pinion seal, front hubs and throw-out bearing x2
    I had a 2000 GT. Off-road H pipe and minor mods. Those cobras were nice, but those American V8s are dinosaurs compared to these modern cars especially German V8s. That cobra used a cast iron block and a roots supercharger wich helped the reliability. They were dinosaurs in a good way when it comes to reliability and ease of repair. Way fewer sensors and electronics. There is always a unicorn who drives responsibly ( moderate to slow) and does that required maintenance and had no issues. Most cobras are trashed now since they were driven hard and boosted.
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    Originally Posted by amusclehead View Post
    trolllolol?

    I daily drive an 04 cobra - ported, pullied, intake/exhaust/tune/etc. - over 200K on it and I've done 0 maintenance other than brakes, oil, rear pinion seal, front hubs and throw-out bearing x2

    Lol wtf. Take the supercharger snout off and look at the bearings then remove the blower and look at the inside of the housing. You've probably been sending some level of aluminium shavings though the engine. Just because it hasn't blown up doesn't mean you're suppose to go 200k without servicing a M90/M112. Those are notorious for having issues with burnt fluid/leaking snouts and if you don't repack the rear bearings they burn up causing the rotors to come into contact with the housing.

    You may have had the bearings replaced during the porting process but then you're being dishonest about the level of maintenance you've done.

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    Originally Posted by swoleyo View Post
    Lol wtf. Take the supercharger snout off and look at the bearings then remove the blower and look at the inside of the housing. You've probably been sending some level of aluminium shavings though the engine. Just because it hasn't blown up doesn't mean you're suppose to go 200k without servicing a M90/M112. Those are notorious for having issues with burnt fluid/leaking snouts and if you don't repack the rear bearings they burn up causing the rotors to come into contact with the housing.

    You may have had the bearings replaced during the porting process but then you're being dishonest about the level of maintenance you've done.

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    I modded it around 5k and now it's got around 220k so I don't think anything done during porting is "dishonest" about reliability.

    There's a guy on the forums with around 400k and minimal maintenance on his 03/04.

    I guess I must be the unicorn that doesn't beat the piss out of his car.
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