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    I want to try Intermittent fasting again. I have a few Q's. Can someone help. :)

    Here's my usual morning routine.

    *Up by 5-5:30. Small cup of cafe con leche to start the morning.
    *Leave home by 6 to get to gym by 6:30. PWO on the way with music to get my pump going.
    *Protein shake after gym for necessary protein intake.

    If I was to maintain this morning caloric intake and wait till noon time to eat and stop eating by 8PM, would I be able to stay in an IF state from 8PM to noon the next day noon time? I like having my morning coffee and I was always told that you should be drinking whey within a half hour post workout. Any help on this is greatly appreciated.
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    Originally Posted by ibedanny View Post
    Here's my usual morning routine.

    *Up by 5-5:30. Small cup of cafe con leche to start the morning.
    *Leave home by 6 to get to gym by 6:30. PWO on the way with music to get my pump going.
    *Protein shake after gym for necessary protein intake.

    If I was to maintain this morning caloric intake and wait till noon time to eat and stop eating by 8PM, would I be able to stay in an IF state from 8PM to noon the next day noon time? I like having my morning coffee and I was always told that you should be drinking whey within a half hour post workout. Any help on this is greatly appreciated.
    With an 8-hour 'eating window', you don't need to worry about any kind of 'fasted state' breaking because there is no significant difference in your body's functions with this kind of meal timing.

    There is nothing about a 'fasted state' within the window you're doing that you need to concern yourself about related to coffee, etc. Fasting in this manner is PURELY a means to control daily calorie intake, that is all.

    You could add creamer to your coffee, have a piece of candy at 10am, and only start eating 'normal' meals at noon and still get the same benefits as you would having nothing but water until noon. It makes no difference if your daily calorie consumption is the same.

    In short, no, you have nothing to worry about. An 8-hour feeding window only serves as a means for some people to control total daily calories... this 'fasted state' has nothing to do with it at all.

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    I think I'll add a cup of yogurt with granola and not go hungry till noon. Thanks for the response.
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    Originally Posted by ibedanny View Post
    I think I'll add a cup of yogurt with granola and not go hungry till noon. Thanks for the response.
    FYI - Every day does not need to be the same, either.

    It's fine to eat within whatever window you want on any given day... you could eat from 8am to 8pm one day, noon to 8pm the next, meeting 7am to 5pm, etc... it's purely a matter of calorie balance.

    There are cases where longer-term fasts (ie - more than a day) have different advantages outside of caloric restriction in people who are obese or have certain health issues, but in terms of losing bodyfat, it's purely calories (assuming you have your bases covered with regards to proper nutrition).
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    Originally Posted by ibedanny View Post
    If I was to maintain this morning caloric intake and wait till noon time to eat and stop eating by 8PM, would I be able to stay in an IF state from 8PM to noon the next day noon time?
    No, you would not be in an "IF" state from 8PM to noon, because you are consuming xenobiotics during that time. While calories are the big offender, even your pre-workout would break your fast because it must be processed by the liver and therefore completely changes your hormonal state.

    You can still have all of these things every morning, just understand that it's not going to be IF.
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    Originally Posted by rtpmarine View Post
    No, you would not be in an "IF" state from 8PM to noon, because you are consuming xenobiotics during that time. While calories are the big offender, even your pre-workout would break your fast because it must be processed by the liver and therefore completely changes your hormonal state.

    You can still have all of these things every morning, just understand that it's not going to be IF.
    LMAO did you seriously just insert xenobiotics in response to this dietary/physiology question? You know that isn't applicable in this case... right? This isn't one of the instances we'd use that term. When i was practicing i don't think i ever used that term.
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    Originally Posted by rhadam View Post
    LMAO did you seriously just insert xenobiotics in response to this dietary/physiology question? You know that isn't applicable in this case... right? This isn't one of the instances we'd use that term. When i was practicing i don't think i ever used that term.
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    Originally Posted by rhadam View Post
    LMAO did you seriously just insert xenobiotics in response to this dietary/physiology question? You know that isn't applicable in this case... right? This isn't one of the instances we'd use that term. When i was practicing i don't think i ever used that term.
    That says a lot about your practice, I guess. Every one of OP’s examples contains a xenobiotic in one form or another. For that matter, the term also applies to a huge proportion of our food supply, so it’s silly to claim it’s not applicable to dietary discussion.

    The whole point of fasting is to keep the digestive organs (liver in particular) from having to deal with anything for a while. Xenobiotics are obviously worse than natural substances in that regard.
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    Originally Posted by rtpmarine View Post
    That says a lot about your practice, I guess. Every one of OP’s examples contains a xenobiotic in one form or another. For that matter, the term also applies to a huge proportion of our food supply, so it’s silly to claim it’s not applicable to dietary discussion.

    The whole point of fasting is to keep the digestive organs (liver in particular) from having to deal with anything for a while. Xenobiotics are obviously worse than natural substances in that regard.
    Tell me, what exactly makes you qualified to criticize other people on their experience? Do you have ANY official education on the subjects you so often talk about?

    You've said a LOT of stupid things before, so i'm really curious why anyone should ever give you any consideration.
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    Originally Posted by ibedanny View Post
    Here's my usual morning routine.

    *Up by 5-5:30. Small cup of cafe con leche to start the morning.
    *Leave home by 6 to get to gym by 6:30. PWO on the way with music to get my pump going.
    *Protein shake after gym for necessary protein intake.

    If I was to maintain this morning caloric intake and wait till noon time to eat and stop eating by 8PM, would I be able to stay in an IF state from 8PM to noon the next day noon time? I like having my morning coffee and I was always told that you should be drinking whey within a half hour post workout. Any help on this is greatly appreciated.
    All three of your astrix technically break fasting.

    Facts are facts. Unless you own a wellness coffee company because then you pretend coffee doesn't count.
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    Originally Posted by rtpmarine View Post
    That says a lot about your practice, I guess. Every one of OP’s examples contains a xenobiotic in one form or another. For that matter, the term also applies to a huge proportion of our food supply, so it’s silly to claim it’s not applicable to dietary discussion.

    The whole point of fasting is to keep the digestive organs (liver in particular) from having to deal with anything for a while. Xenobiotics are obviously worse than natural substances in that regard.
    You're still using the term improperly and desperately trying to cover for it.
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    Tell me, what exactly makes you qualified to criticize other people on their experience? Do you have ANY official education on the subjects you so often talk about?

    You've said a LOT of stupid things before, so i'm really curious why anyone should ever give you any consideration.
    Appeal to authority is weak.

    Originally Posted by rhadam View Post
    You're still using the term improperly and desperately trying to cover for it.
    The etymology on this one is pretty darn straightforward. I’m sorry you weren’t taught to think for yourself.
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    Appeal to authority is weak.
    In others words, nothing.

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    Why do people even try to overcomplicate things that are supposed to make things sinple to begin with. This should be the Q&A for IF:

    Q. For IF, do I just skip breakfast?

    A. Yes

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    Originally Posted by desslok View Post
    Why do people even try to overcomplicate things that are supposed to make things sinple to begin with. This should be the Q&A for IF:

    Q. For IF, do I just skip breakfast?

    A. Yes

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    Plus, easy to sell books/articles based on complicated ideas even if they’re actually simple.

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    Originally Posted by ibedanny View Post
    Here's my usual morning routine.

    *Up by 5-5:30. Small cup of cafe con leche to start the morning.
    *Leave home by 6 to get to gym by 6:30. PWO on the way with music to get my pump going.
    *Protein shake after gym for necessary protein intake.

    If I was to maintain this morning caloric intake and wait till noon time to eat and stop eating by 8PM, would I be able to stay in an IF state from 8PM to noon the next day noon time? I like having my morning coffee and I was always told that you should be drinking whey within a half hour post workout. Any help on this is greatly appreciated.
    The big question you haven't answered yet: why do you want to do IF?
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    Appeal to authority is weak.



    The etymology on this one is pretty darn straightforward. I’m sorry you weren’t taught to think for yourself.
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    Just do what I do..I do a 18/6 IF approach. Though I do have small snacks throughout the day so not strictly fasting, but I just call it that anyway. Because I can't be bothered explaining to people ''Yea I fast, but I don't fast.''

    I keep to about 60-80 cals until my feeding window begins in the evening. All is calculated so I don't forget that 100g of strawberries in the morning or a few cans of diet Pepsi..or a glass of milk.
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    Originally Posted by Paulie1986 View Post
    Just do what I do..I do a 18/6 IF approach. Though I do have small snacks throughout the day so not strictly fasting, but I just call it that anyway. Because I can't be bothered explaining to people ''Yea I fast, but I don't fast.''

    I keep to about 60-80 cals until my feeding window begins in the evening. All is calculated so I don't forget that 100g of strawberries in the morning or a few cans of diet Pepsi..or a glass of milk.
    I prefer front-loading calories somewhat, having smaller meals during the day while im busy/active, then another large meal at night.

    ~9am = 35% of my total calories
    ~1pm = 20% of total calories
    ~5pm = 15% of total caloriees
    ~730-8pm = 30% of total calories (between dinner and night time snack right after)


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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    I prefer front-loading calories somewhat, having smaller meals during the day while im busy/active, then another large meal at night.

    ~9am = 35% of my total calories
    ~1pm = 20% of total calories
    ~5pm = 15% of total caloriees
    ~730-8pm = 30% of total calories (between dinner and night time snack right after)


    That's just a guesstimate of course.
    Yea, that's a good approach, though for me, it wouldn't be ideal to have that many cals on a morning as I'm not a morning eater at all. I don't start to feel hungry until mid-afternoon. Then I'll have a small meal and shake pre-workout.

    Then at about 6PM I'll have a large meal and then finish off about 8PM with another meal and snacks. I'm not exactly strict with timing, but try to keep things a bit structured. I'm more relaxed when bulking.
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    Originally Posted by Paulie1986 View Post
    Yea, that's a good approach, though for me, it wouldn't be ideal to have that many cals on a morning as I'm not a morning eater at all. I don't start to feel hungry until mid-afternoon. Then I'll have a small meal and shake pre-workout.

    Then at about 6PM I'll have a large meal and then finish off about 8PM with another meal and snacks. I'm not exactly strict with timing, but try to keep things a bit structured. I'm more relaxed when bulking.

    Yeah it's all based on hunger for me, too.

    I get up around 6am, but it takes me a while for my stomach to settle, then around 9 it starts, and while i'm busy/active I just don't get as hungry but I need something in there to keep me awake and going... my 5pm is more of a snack I have after work, then dinner once I settle down.

    I hate feeling rushed while eating so having a bigger breakfast lets me chill before getting super busy.
    The power of carbs compels me!
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    Yeah it's all based on hunger for me, too.

    I get up around 6am, but it takes me a while for my stomach to settle, then around 9 it starts, and while i'm busy/active I just don't get as hungry but I need something in there to keep me awake and going... my 5pm is more of a snack I have after work, then dinner once I settle down.

    I hate feeling rushed while eating so having a bigger breakfast lets me chill before getting super busy.
    I'd say I'm similar with being active. I just throw down some zero-sugar energy drinks and black coffee with sweetener on a morning and it sets me up for the day, as I'm active upon waking until I get home from work and that's where I tend to want to eat, when I'm sitting around.

    As soon as I hop on the PC or play games I just forget about food for hours. It's a great distraction on a cut , but as soon as I sit and watch TV, that's when my hunger goes into overdrive.
    I have a good joke about water retention. But I'm going to hold onto it for now.
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