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    Cutting vs. Maintenance

    My body fat percentage is around 20%.

    I wanted to do a one time bulk to 200 and cut from there (or maybe maintain) for the rest of my life. Problem is, at 164ibs I'm noticing strength and muscle mass increase but my body fat levels are not really changing (keep in mind my weight never goes above 165). I'm guessing it's pointless trying to bulk up to that since my BF is high so I decided I was going to try maintaining (lose bodyfat, eat the same and get as muscular as possible).

    Is this possible? Guys at the gym told me to do this. I workout 3-4 days a week and consume about 115g protein, 300g carbs, 60-70 g fat [edit: ADDED] low sugar and low sodium. Also, is it possible to grow into a diet? Like I see you guys consuming 70-90g fat (which I find a LOT) and etc etc, but won't that make me tremendously fatter?

    Edit: Also wanted to note that when I used to eat liek goku (aka a LOT of stuff) including fat, carbs [basically anything I can enter into my system] I looked better than when I started focusing on low fat, high carb high protein
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    >If 20% is accurate I wouldn't even consider bulking, cutting from 25%+ back down to the 12-15% range after a bulk takes a long.. long time. The longer you cut the more muscle you're at risk of losing.

    >What they told you to do is a recomp, which generally doesn't work unless you're brand spanking new to lifting with fresh receptors.

    >Your protein intake is a little low for 165lbs, bump it up to 135g minimum, 60-70g of fat is considered the normal healthy intake for the body. Fat does contain the most calories per gram but getting too little will cause an entire list of problems you don't want to encounter.

    >Everyone generally looks better when they eat MORE food, your muscles and body are filled with more water, you look fuller. Likewise we all look "flat" in the morning when we wake up on an empty stomach.

    Pick a goal, cut or slow bulk. Recomp in my experience is a fools errand, it works, but could take a life time to reach your desired results depending on your goals.
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    Originally Posted by blissful88 View Post
    >If 20% is accurate I wouldn't even consider bulking, cutting from 25%+ back down to the 12-15% range after a bulk takes a long.. long time. The longer you cut the more muscle you're at risk of losing.

    >What they told you to do is a recomp, which generally doesn't work unless you're brand spanking new to lifting with fresh receptors.

    >Your protein intake is a little low for 165lbs, bump it up to 135g minimum, 60-70g of fat is considered the normal healthy intake for the body. Fat does contain the most calories per gram but getting too little will cause an entire list of problems you don't want to encounter.

    >Everyone generally looks better when they eat MORE food, your muscles and body are filled with more water, you look fuller. Likewise we all look "flat" in the morning when we wake up on an empty stomach.

    Pick a goal, cut or slow bulk. Recomp in my experience is a fools errand, it works, but could take a life time to reach your desired results depending on your goals.
    Wow, thanks for the accurate response! I guess I'll just go through with my bulk process (since I have plenty of time) and I want to get it over with.
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    Originally Posted by k0nstant View Post
    Like I see you guys consuming 70-90g fat (which I find a LOT) and etc etc, but won't that make me tremendously fatter?

    Edit: Also wanted to note that when I used to eat liek goku (aka a LOT of stuff) including fat, carbs [basically anything I can enter into my system] I looked better than when I started focusing on low fat, high carb high protein
    Sounds like you would benefit from reading the stickies in the "losing fat" "nutrition" and probably "workout" forums. You need to brush up on the basics. One macro (fat, carb, protein) won't make you fat or skinny. It's about overall calories (for losing fat or gaining weight) - minimums for lifters is .4g fat and .8g protein per lb. of bodyweight. The rest of your diet/calories can be whatever you want.

    Also keep in mind bulking from 165 to 200 is a BIG bulk and if you do it quickly it will be mostly fat.

    If you're really around 20% body fat, then a slight deficit/recomp while lifting hard is probably the right way to go.
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    Originally Posted by sunsean View Post
    If you're really around 20% body fat, then a slight deficit/recomp while lifting hard is probably the right way to go.
    Isn't that cutting?
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    Quick question how old are you?

    Your profile says 17 is that the case.
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    Originally Posted by hardyboysare View Post
    Quick question how old are you?

    Your profile says 17 is that the case.
    Yes and I've been lifting for a year+ now.

    Going back to what sean said with the heavy lifting I deadlift double my bodyweight.
    Edit: I just realized I'm 164 lolo so it's not double my bodyweight anymore, I lift 315 when I deadlift and the last time I tried to go above that ended up with a groin injury.
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    Originally Posted by k0nstant View Post
    Yes and I've been lifting for a year+ now.

    Going back to what sean said with the heavy lifting I deadlift double my bodyweight.
    Edit: I just realized I'm 164 lolo so it's not double my bodyweight anymore, I lift 315 when I deadlift and the last time I tried to go above that ended up with a groin injury.
    In this case I retract my earlier answer - keep lifting and getting stronger! At 17 that's all you should be doing.
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