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    Why do so many millennials love socialism? srs

    I got pulled into an argument on fb because these kunts think socialism is the way to the future. Their reasoning is because it does so well in Europe. Frankly, I think it's because they just want a hand out, and not work.
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    People think they can copy paste some socio-economic system into a different country ,but they don't realize the scale, infrastructure along with societal levels of differences between these nations.
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    It is because they do not love socialism but are fond of a more social state.
    Let me clear this up. From Portugal through Germany to Russia, there si no socialistic state. The countries are more social, meaning the state takes more taxes a redistributes to the peoples (e.g. free unis, part of your medicines is paid for, your health insurance etc.) but there is free market and the means of production are NOT in the hands of the state.
    We, Europeans think that everyone should have an equal opportunity to get education and not be only for the rich and not have to get a loan for 15 years and shouldnt have to worry about paying for your medicines (for example insuline etc.).
    Only a fool would want a pre 1989 world with the iron curtain, Berlin Wall, and REAL socialism.
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    My siblings are millennials and they only speak of democracy lol
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    If they think there is socialism in Europe, then they don't have a clue what socialism is.

    No, the Nordic Model is not a socialist one. Those are all capitalist countries. No, none of the Scandinavian countries are socialist nor any of the others in Europe.

    Who exactly is lying to and trying to scam all those naive, ignorant useful idiots with false info!?



    Here are the current socialist states:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...cialist_states
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    Originally Posted by LukeLissen View Post
    If they think there is socialism in Europe, then they don't have a clue what socialism is.

    No, the Nordic Model is not a socialist one. Those are all capitalist countries. No, none of the Scandinavian countries are socialist nor any of the others in Europe.

    Who exactly is lying to and trying to scam all those naive, ignorant useful idiots with false info!?



    Here are the current socialist states:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...cialist_states

    True. It's a spectrum and the majority of countries fall somewhere on it between the two poles. It isn't either/or.

    A truly capitalist society has never existed (although Britain and America approached it in the late 19th century).

    Several countries got closer to true socialism with mixed results.

    It's legitimate to say that some countries are "more" socialist than others though. Scandinavian countries are more socialist than Britain and the US even though they aren't "truly" socialist. Very few who advocate socialism want to implement Stalinist policies lol.
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    Originally Posted by Slayermanlet View Post
    Define specifically what you consider socialism or any answers will be meaningless
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    Most of these millenials just want European style social-democracies, which typically fare better than the US in metrics of human well being (everything from infant mortality to literacy to suicide rates etc). Sometimes they call it "socialism" but as we know all these countries are firmly capitalist, they just have a much stronger social safety net and public investment

    Why is it surprising to you that millennials, or anyone for that matter, would want that?
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    Originally Posted by LukeLissen View Post
    If they think there is socialism in Europe, then they don't have a clue what socialism is.

    No, the Nordic Model is not a socialist one. Those are all capitalist countries. No, none of the Scandinavian countries are socialist nor any of the others in Europe.

    Who exactly is lying to and trying to scam all those naive, ignorant useful idiots with false info!?



    Here are the current socialist states:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...cialist_states
    You might want to take your own advice then? If these countries are all actually capitalist, then why do you spend all your time calling Dems and liberals communist?

    Almost nothing proposed by Sanders or anyone else can't be found in one of these Euro nations, which by your own admission are firmly capitalist.

    This is what it looks like when someone stumps themselves.
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    I walk around campus and observe.


    All the kids have housing, and these dorms are pretty damn nice now.

    All the kids have unlimited food on their meal plans, multiple dinning halls with some open 24 hours - these resemble Vegas style spiffed up multiple station type buffets more than that old style cafeteria we knew with bland food, they can even use their cards at on camps restaurant like star bucks.


    Public transportation everywhere, mostly electric, also nice.

    Free epic size gyms, parks , student centers , fields , etc



    And they have 0 relation to the actually cost behind all this stuff

    They are on these on loans they won’t make payments on for years or scholarships and yet to actually realize the money connection - to them it’s just “coming from somewhere”

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    In addition, every semester they get additional funds from these direct deposited into their student Acounts for discretionary use.



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    Because they're not making it in the capitalist system..

    They're finding out things like rent, car payments, their new iPhones and Starbucks everyday is expensive. Plus most of them have taken out an ass load of student loan debt that might have seemed like a good idea at first, but is now scaring the shiit out of them.

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    True. It's a spectrum and the majority of countries fall somewhere on it between the two poles. It isn't either/or.

    A truly capitalist society has never existed (although Britain and America approached it in the late 19th century).

    Several countries got closer to true socialism with mixed results.

    It's legitimate to say that some countries are "more" socialist than others though. Scandinavian countries are more socialist than Britain and the US even though they aren't "truly" socialist. Very few who advocate socialism want to implement Stalinist policies lol.
    There are many truly capitalist countries, including the US. Most counties on Earth are capitalist states.

    Capitalism with social welfare and some government owned business is still a capitalist state. All contemporary 'mixed economies' are still capitalist countries with private creation, ownership, and control of the vast majority of business and labor interests.

    There is no 'partly socialist state.' A country is either run by a socialist state or it isn't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_state

    Unless a country is run by a government constitutionally bound to the creation of socialism, then it simply isn't a socialist state - at all.








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    You might want to take your own advice then? If these countries are all actually capitalist, then why do you spend all your time calling Dems and liberals communist?

    Almost nothing proposed by Sanders or anyone else can't be found in one of these Euro nations, which by your own admission are firmly capitalist.

    This is what it looks like when someone stumps themselves.
    You're just as confused as always.

    Bernie Sanders is the one who repeatedly over many decades classifies himself as a "socialist." I'm pretty sure he knows exactly WTF socialism is and wouldn't classify himself in that many over that long a period of time if he wasn't one.

    'This is what it looks like when someone stumps themselves.'


    As far as others, the proof is in the pudding. They aren't gonna fully out themselves as socialists and communists until the revolution is at hand. That's the known MO of subversives. The evidence is in their long-term behavior.


























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    Now back to the original point- anyone thinking that any country in Europe is socialist is mistaken. There are no socialist countries in Europe. They are all capitalist countries --->

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    There are many truly capitalist countries, including the US. Most counties on Earth are capitalist states.

    Capitalism with social welfare and a small number of government owned business is still a capitalist state.

    There is no 'partly socialist state.' A country is either run by a socialist state or it isn't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_state

    Unless a country is run by a government constitutionally bound to the creation of socialism, then it simply isn't a socialist state - at all.
    Your own argument contradicts all of the other garbage you spew on this forum.

    Capitalism with a welfare state is not socialism, correct. You seem to understand this and even correct other people who make this mistake.

    Yet when any Democrat pushes for exactly that - stronger welfare programs, more public spending, more regulations on large corporations - according to you that is fullcommunism. Those aren't my words, they're yours.

    So how does that make any sense? You're telling me that Denmark is full capitalist, but Bernie's platform is full communist? Sounding more like a paid shill with each passing post.
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    Your own argument contradicts all of the other garbage you spew on this forum.

    Capitalism with a welfare state is not socialism, correct. You seem to understand this and even correct other people who make this mistake.

    Yet when any Democrat pushes for exactly that - stronger welfare programs, more public spending, more regulations on large corporations - according to you that is fullcommunism. Those aren't my words, they're yours.

    So how does that make any sense? You're telling me that Denmark is full capitalist, but Bernie's platform is full communist? Sounding more like a paid shill with each passing post.
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    ... garbage you spew on this forum.

    ...

    Sounding more like a paid shill with each passing post.
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    In other words, you've reverted to 12 yr old mode yet again.
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    Originally Posted by LukeLissen View Post




    In other words, you've reverted to 12 yr old mode yet again.
    seen a few threads this morning and the lib R&Pers getting BTFU and resorting to this behavior in addition to dodging

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    Define specifically what you consider socialism or any answers will be meaningless
    Here we go again with this garbage. We get it, nobody knows what socialism is. You are the true expert, and everyone else is clueless. Please take us down some rabbit hole to completely derail the conversation for no reason whatsoever. My life won't be complete without doing this again.

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    I got pulled into an argument on fb because these kunts think socialism is the way to the future. Their reasoning is because it does so well in Europe. Frankly, I think it's because they just want a hand out, and not work.
    Young people don't have a lot of life experience, so they don't know what they don't know. On paper socialism looks great. And yes, many of them are picturing a world where they and other people they are "fighting for" have to work less. They are so used to living under the fruits of other people's labor, that they don't understand what happens when you pull back the incentives to labor. Its kind of like people who want police to just go away. They've lived under the protection of the police department so long that they can't picture in their heads what would happen if the police didn't exist anymore. Its not just "oh I can speed and smoke a joint whenever I want," but that's basically all they see.
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    Your own argument contradicts all of the other garbage you spew on this forum.

    Capitalism with a welfare state is not socialism, correct. You seem to understand this and even correct other people who make this mistake.

    Yet when any Democrat pushes for exactly that - stronger welfare programs, more public spending, more regulations on large corporations - according to you that is fullcommunism. Those aren't my words, they're yours.

    So how does that make any sense? You're telling me that Denmark is full capitalist, but Bernie's platform is full communist? Sounding more like a paid shill with each passing post.
    Your credibility on this board is non-existent due to some of your recent posts. However, let me add this. Many people are against expanding welfare programs and public spending to the degree that lefties want to do it. Plain and simple. Whether they label it socialism or not is irrelevant. You are dumb enough to think people are going to agree to something that they are opposed to if you can simply rename and rebrand it.
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    Originally Posted by chaunce54 View Post
    Because it's against the Constitution to have these programs at the FEDERAL LEVEL. These programs should ONLY EXIST at the state and local levels of government.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Butler

    It's SCOTUS who decides these things, not you.

    What the Constitution has to do with the definition of socialism and capitalism I have no idea. Looks like you're a bit confused as to the thread topic.

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    In other words, you've reverted to 12 yr old mode yet again.
    Still waiting on a detailed explanation on how Denmark is fullcapitalist yet Bernie or whoever's platform is fullcommunist, given that capitalism and communism are literal negations of each other.

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    Originally Posted by LukeLissen View Post
    Now back to the original point- anyone thinking that any country in Europe is socialist is mistaken. There are no socialist countries in Europe. They are all capitalist countries --->

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffrey.../#684437ba74ad

    https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/07/...-as-socialist/

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    https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of...ian-socialism/

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    by this measure free college and free healthcare are institutions fully compatible with capitalist economies

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    Originally Posted by wesleysh21 View Post
    Your credibility on this board is non-existent due to some of your recent posts. However, let me add this. Many people are against expanding welfare programs and public spending to the degree that lefties want to do it. Plain and simple. Whether they label it socialism or not is irrelevant. You are dumb enough to think people are going to agree to something that they are opposed to if you can simply rename and rebrand it.
    So can you disagree by actually making detailed and somewhat rational sounding arguments against each given proposal, rather than reverting to "no that's communism, and communism killed 18 trillion people?"

    If you can then great. Half the conservatives on this board are incapable of doing that, though.
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    Originally Posted by AltarOfPlagues View Post
    by this measure free college and free healthcare are institutions fully compatible with capitalist economies

    lets argue semantics in circles for a bit
    They are. By his own admission. Now just watch in the next thread where someone talks about universal healthcare and he starts sperging out about communism.
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    So can you disagree by actually making detailed and somewhat rational sounding arguments against each given proposal, rather than reverting to "no that's communism, and communism killed 18 trillion people?"

    If you can then great. Half the conservatives on this board are incapable of doing that, though.
    Yes, you've been given details a thousand times over on this board. You just don't like the details. Making something up doesn't make it true.

    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Butler

    It's SCOTUS who decides these things, not you.

    What the Constitution has to do with the definition of socialism and capitalism I have no idea. Looks like you're a bit confused as to the thread topic.

    Still waiting on a detailed explanation on how Denmark is fullcapitalist yet Bernie or whoever's platform is fullcommunist, given that capitalism and communism are literal negations of each other.

    Any day now...
    We are a government for the people, by the people. I realize you want an authoritarian government where the people have no say in how they are governed. But we do get to decide on how we are governed...by how we vote. And while I realize you have no idea whats in the constitution because only leftwing constitutional scholars could possibly tell us what's in it, some of us a snuck a peak at it (don't tell anyone). The federal government was given its power in that old piece of paper. And creating a socialist utopia from the federal level is not one of those powers. That's reserved for the states.
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Butler

    It's SCOTUS who decides these things, not you.

    What the Constitution has to do with the definition of socialism and capitalism I have no idea. Looks like you're a bit confused as to the thread topic.
    You were talking specifically about the welfare programs. Just because 9 people decided something doesn't necessarily mean it's Constitutional. SCOTUS decisions have been overturned hundreds of times.
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