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    Okay truthfully, how bad is it (driving a manual in heavy traffic)

    I'm looking at purchasing a manual for my next car (mainly as a theft deterrent because its gonna be a Honda), but also because repairs are cheaper in the long run, not to mention, for the vast majority of new cars they're all using that CVT nonsense which I don't trust and costs a mint to repair. However, I live in southern California. Is it really worth it for someone like me to get a manual? I know that now days automatics are more efficient at "shifting" and are better at gas mileage but i've heard nothing but bad things from CVT transmissions regardless of the make or model of car. I guess I could just buy an older car, but I need this as a daily commuter (that i'll probably run into the ground) so it needs to be reliable.

    I just feel kinda stuck.
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    Just drove 1.5 hours in the worst traffic ever. I got a manual with one of heaviest clutches around (2005 TD5 defender with heavy duty clutch).
    It's no problem. Your leg hurts the first 2 weeks, but after those 2 weeks it's GOAT.
    Any other manual car is easy, even big trucks are no problem.
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    Originally Posted by playerofwar View Post
    Just drove 1.5 hours in the worst traffic ever. I got a manual with one of heaviest clutches around (2005 TD5 defender with heavy duty clutch).
    It's no problem. Your leg hurts the first 2 weeks, but after those 2 weeks it's GOAT.
    Any other manual car is easy, even big trucks are no problem.
    worse traffic than the 405 northbound at 5pm on a weekday?

    The car i'm looking at is a 2020 Civic Hatchback Sport Touring which is supposedly one of the easier manuals to drive, but still, this will be my main commuter that i'll be driving day in and day out.
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    It’s cool special if ur clutch is still new u her use to it just through on a podcast and enjoy the ride I still get phantom syndrome when I drive an automatic thinking my foot needs to be engage at all times
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    I have done it with several vehicles when I was younger... its not that bad as long as you have a soft pedal and a clutch made from organic material (which most OEM clutches are). You can slip it along bumping in and out of the throttle as you move...

    When it starts to suck is if you have a big cam car (which you're in a Honda so this wont apply) you will have to re learn how to drive it or you will get beat to death on and off the clutch... not to mention once you start putting some power down and have to resort to a twin disc ceramic type clutch it turns into an on off switch... which is amazing under WOT but is just a pain in the sack otherwise.

    These days if I have a choice for a daily its auto all the fkn way... But if I absolutely had to daily a stick car it would be set up to do so and not heavily modified like I have done in the past
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    Originally Posted by Maestro View Post
    I'm looking at purchasing a manual for my next car (mainly as a theft deterrent because its gonna be a Honda), but also because repairs are cheaper in the long run, not to mention, for the vast majority of new cars they're all using that CVT nonsense which I don't trust and costs a mint to repair. However, I live in southern California. Is it really worth it for someone like me to get a manual? I know that now days automatics are more efficient at "shifting" and are better at gas mileage but i've heard nothing but bad things from CVT transmissions regardless of the make or model of car. I guess I could just buy an older car, but I need this as a daily commuter (that i'll probably run into the ground) so it needs to be reliable.

    I just feel kinda stuck.

    You could look at the Mazda 3/6. They still use torque converter automatics.
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    TBH, driving manual in traffic never bothered me. Even in heavy stop and go, it was just like second nature and just got use to it.
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    I would get the CVT.

    hear me out. CVTs are reliable if you use them correctly, and if used correctly they are way better than manuals and automatics. With the manual and auto, they both have to shift. Each shift causes a jerk and power loss/spike. That translates to ride roughness and mpg loss.

    With the CVT, there is no jerk. The power delivery is smooth all the way. Because theres no jerk in shifting, PEOPLE FOOKN FLOOR THAT CHIT ALL THE WAY BABY. Thats why CVTs break down so much. People are abusing the transmission unbeknownst to them.

    If you accelerate slowly and let the CVT get up to speed and don't press hard on the acceleration from a stand still, the CVT will last just as long as any regular transmission.

    Now, I have not tested this out. This is all theory work. But it should work in the way I described it.
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    Honestly I think it's easier than an automatic. With a manual, if the traffic is really heavy, I will put the car in neutral and relax my body entirely. With an automatic I end up leaving the car in gear the whole time. Then if I get lazy there's more of a risk of drifting forward in the automatic.
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    Anyone who tells you it's easier than automatic in heavy traffic is straight up lying to you (and themselves possibly). Yes, you can get used to it, yes you can get better at it, but at the end of the day is not as convenient as automatic. With that said, I've been driving manual for 17 yrs and I deal with traffic 5 days a week (although probably not as bad as SoCal). To me the inconvenience is worth it.

    One thing to keep in mind if you're dealing with an hour of stop and go traffic is that it will wear out your throw-out bearing/pressure plate faster. Now on a civic it's not super expensive to replace, but it's something to think about. With automatic, you wouldn't have to worry about that but you do have a bigger expense of replacing/rebuilding the transmission when that goes out.

    I say just buy 2 civics, one cheap auto and one manual
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    It's not as bad as people make it seem. I've driven an 06 acura TL with a 6 speed and since you're getting a honda I think it would be similar but the clutch and the shifting feels very light when I drove it. Test drive it.

    Also though southern California traffic seems like a whole new level of traffic I've only really dealt with Chicago traffic.
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    It's not as bad as people make it seem. I've driven an 06 acura TL with a 6 speed and since you're getting a honda I think it would be similar but the clutch and the shifting feels very light when I drove it. Test drive it.

    Also though southern California traffic seems like a whole new level of traffic I've only really dealt with Chicago traffic.
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    One thing to keep in mind if you're dealing with an hour of stop and go traffic is that it will wear out your throw-out bearing/pressure plate faster.
    Yeah, i'm anticipating burning through this clutch pretty quick (<100k miles) which is why I plan on buying a replacement kit if I decide to get the car in a manual. The last time I drove a manual was when I was about 16 (that was about 15 years ago) and it was in my grandparents studebaker....on an open farm, so i've never had to deal withthe rules of the road either, lol. Regrdless, I think it will be a good learning experience.
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    don't do it. long term health effects (Back and knee problems) are documented for those driving manual cars in traffic. not sure how the guys in this thread are saying it's no problem and even "easier than auto" (u wot m8?). I did SoCal traffic (210) in an S2000 for a year and it sucked. I literally wore different shoes to drive and then changed them when I got to work. switched to a more "adult/professional" car (ISF) after a year and it made my commute so much better and definitely noticeably more positive attention/affirmation for my car.

    my advice: do NOT get a manual Civic or Mazda 3. get an auto TSX (or something similar) which will be just as easy to maintain, be much easier to commute in, AND looks more adult/professional.
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    don't do it. long term health effects (Back and knee problems) are documented for those driving manual cars in traffic.
    sounds like broscience
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    don't do it. long term health effects (Back and knee problems) are documented for those driving manual cars in traffic. not sure how the guys in this thread are saying it's no problem and even "easier than auto" (u wot m8?). I did SoCal traffic (210) in an S2000 for a year and it sucked. I literally wore different shoes to drive and then changed them when I got to work. switched to a more "adult/professional" car (ISF) after a year and it made my commute so much better and definitely noticeably more positive attention/affirmation for my car.

    my advice: do NOT get a manual Civic or Mazda 3. get an auto TSX (or something similar) which will be just as easy to maintain, be much easier to commute in, AND looks more adult/professional.
    Sounds like you are soft af bruh

    I only recently got an Auto, was driving a manual from age 19-age 26. First was a VW Golf, next was a Subaru WRX. Both had a vastly different feel to the clutch, and neither was hard to get used to driving in Southern California traffic. Even my VW when i had the first 2 gears burned out and could only start in 3rd, driving it home in rush hour traffic was only bad when i was on the uphills.

    OP, you'll get used to it and it will become second nature within a month or two. This coming from a guy driving a Subaru WRX with a widely notorious heavy and notchy clutch all over Southern California for 3 years through all kinds of traffic. Don't let that be a hindrance to you. It'll keep you attentive and engaged on the road, and it really only gets annoying when you're being impatient, and following a car that is constantly accelerating then braking. But if you can stay relaxed while doing so, you'll just coast along in 1st gear most of the time and the shifting will be a non-issue for the most part.
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    Heavy traffic with lot of hills, this is not much fun in a manual.

    If its flat its not that bad.
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    Cars I've never had a problem with manuals. I mean I ride big bore motorcycles and your clutch on your fingers is 10x tougher on you in traffic than any car.

    But for trucks especially towing I'll never get another manual. Such a pain in the ass taking off up a steep boat ramp with a heavy boat trying to clutch it up. You're either going to floor it and smell the clutch burn or your going to try and feather it and risk falling backwards off the ramp and losing your truck. Fuk that. So much easier with an auto tranny.
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    Originally Posted by Kev1972 View Post
    Cars I've never had a problem with manuals. I mean I ride big bore motorcycles and your clutch on your fingers is 10x tougher on you in traffic than any car.

    But for trucks especially towing I'll never get another manual. Such a pain in the ass taking off up a steep boat ramp with a heavy boat trying to clutch it up. You're either going to floor it and smell the clutch burn or your going to try and feather it and risk falling backwards off the ramp and losing your truck. Fuk that. So much easier with an auto tranny.
    I believe the newer manuals all have "hill assist" which automatically places the car in brake if you're taking off from a hill.
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    Originally Posted by Maestro View Post
    I'm looking at purchasing a manual for my next car (mainly as a theft deterrent because its gonna be a Honda), but also because repairs are cheaper in the long run, not to mention, for the vast majority of new cars they're all using that CVT nonsense which I don't trust and costs a mint to repair. However, I live in southern California. Is it really worth it for someone like me to get a manual? I know that now days automatics are more efficient at "shifting" and are better at gas mileage but i've heard nothing but bad things from CVT transmissions regardless of the make or model of car. I guess I could just buy an older car, but I need this as a daily commuter (that i'll probably run into the ground) so it needs to be reliable.

    I just feel kinda stuck.
    So if you're worried about getting the car stolen because it's a honda and you need it to be a manual because of that, scrap that idea and get a toyota. Just as reliable and probably no one would wanna steal it unless you get a camry or something.

    Driving a manual in everyday traffic blows. Obviously you CAN do it. People have done it. People are still doing it. I've done it. It's the phucking worst.

    I drove manual cars since i got my license a little over 2 decades ago. I always had at least one manual car in my stable. Not to long ago, i had 3 manual cars and no autos. It was fun and not bad at all when i would drive on the weekends. During the week? I phucking hated it. I purposely went to work 45 minutes earlier to beat the morning traffic. I would try to leave work early as much as i can to beat the traffic going home. If i got stuck, that's it, i was literally stuck. 1 hour to get home. A 8 mile drive.

    1 hour......to drive 8 miles. Bumper to bumper, every phucking day. With a manual.

    IT IS THE PHUCKING WORST. Never again. I'll never daily a manual ever again. And once the C8Z comes out, my C7Z which is a manual will be gone and quite possibly the last manual i would have ever owned.
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    If you are planning on sitting in traffic everyday, don't torture yourself. Get the auto. Get a manual car for the days you are not planning on sitting in traffic would be the best option.
    However, like everyone else said it is doable, just be ready to be annoyed af.
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    I've only had autos, but Mom hated driving the stick shift car and truck she and Dad owned around the Chicagoland area back in the 70's.

    That said, one was a warmed over 440 Six Pack (3-2 Barrel carbs on one intake), 4 speed, Dana 60 rear axle equipped '70 Charger that she used as a daily as well as a 318 and 4 speed and limited slip equipped '76 D100 (pre 1st gen Ram Dodge Truck) long bed with a fiberglass topper (replaced the Charger after it was totalled 44 years ago), so the little Honda you're looking at probably isn't going to be the hastle those two were.............
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    Originally Posted by Maestro View Post
    worse traffic than the 405 northbound at 5pm on a weekday?.
    I've driven that when it was jammed up in a manual more than once... you want an automatic. Most of these guys have no idea what real traffic is like in a manual. That 2 to 4 hour 60 mile round trip is flat out brutal riding the clutch all the way. FWIW
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    I'm a bit puzzled by the replies ITT.

    "Too hard to drive a manual in traffic."
    "Don't torture yourself"

    Do you guys see what you're posting?

    OP, if you're OK driving manual, just go for it. If you prefer automatic anyway, get that. Simple as that.

    Have driven cars in traffic, original clutch past 100K miles, no issues. Honda clutches are very light anyway.

    Originally Posted by sumolgi View Post
    I've driven that when it was jammed up in a manual more than once... you want an automatic. Most of these guys have no idea what real traffic is like in a manual. That 2 to 4 hour 60 mile round trip is flat out brutal riding the clutch all the way. FWIW
    Sounds more like you don't know how to drive a manual car. Why would you be "riding the clutch" for 2-4 hours?
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    Originally Posted by Anachron View Post
    I'm a bit puzzled by the replies ITT.

    Sounds more like you don't know how to drive a manual car. Why would you be "riding the clutch" for 2-4 hours?
    Most people who drive a manual don't know how to do it properly.
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    You get very used to it. I still prefer auto, though, but here in E Europe they are less common than manual.
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    Originally Posted by crash1181 View Post
    Most people who drive a manual don't know how to do it properly.
    I think this is it right here...
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