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    Truly puzzled by progress and lack of progress at the same time

    Well this has me stumped. I've been keeping track of my weight, calories and workouts since the end of last June. I've been working out 3 days a week, doing intermittent fasting, and a good amount of HIIT and LISS. I'm puzzled by conflicting indications of lack of progress along with progress (at the same time). During the period from Thanksgiving through Xmas, I took a much needed 4 week vacation. During that time I didn't exercise as much as usual, and threw out the window any semblance of strategy or discipline in the diet. Before this vacation I was at about 168 lbs. During the holidays that shot up to (at the highest day) about 182 lbs. Went back to lots of training and diet for the new year.

    Since the week ending Dec. 30th, my weekly weight averages were:

    Week ending Dec. 28th = 180.2 lbs
    Week ending Jan. 4th = 177.9 lbs
    Week ending Jan. 11th = 175.7 lbs
    Week ending Jan. 18th = 174.2

    So my weight dropped 2.3 lbs, then 2.2 lbs, then 1.5 lbs for a total of 6.12 lbs.

    But here is the odd thing...

    My caliper readings at mid thigh, chest and abs are all the same. No fat loss, it appears. I haven't lost muscle mas either, because all my measurements are the same for the past few weeks. Can't be water weight because I stay well hydrated. So where is the weight disappearing from? Likewise when I gained the weight during Xmas, the caliper readings remained virtually unchanged.

    I've tracked muscle growth during the period from July 8th through Jan. 18th. In those 6+ months, all I've put on muscle-wise is:

    + 3/4" biceps
    + 1/2 " forearms
    + 1 1/4" thighs
    + 1/8 " calves
    + 2" chest

    That seems like very little muscle addition across half a year of training. Every 3 weeks I up the weights progressively, so I'm lifting a hell of a lot more than I used to. I'm doing 10 reps today with weights I had trouble doing 2-3 or sometimes even ONE rep with back in July. So a lot more strength for sure, but no growth according to the tape measure. I'm averaging 156 g of protein daily which is more than the supposed 0.82 g/lb of body weight I keep reading is what's needed for growth.

    So how is it possible that I seem stuck at the same level of body fat, same level of muscle, and still be losing weight and getting stronger? It's a conundrum that I'm gaining a lot more strength but not gaining muscle mass, while also losing weight but not getting any leaner/losing more fat (or muscle mass) either.

    Can anyone explain this?
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    Also, on some of the exercises, I'm lifting double the amount now that I was back in July. For example, donkey press, leg press and full leg press went from 200 lbs (2 sets of 10 reps) to 500 lbs (2 sets of 15 reps). Still, only an inch and a half growth for thighs and an eight of an inch on calves? That seems wrong.
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    Caliper readings are the weak link here. You can't really expect to see a difference for just 6lbs of bodyweight. Perhaps they will show a difference over a longer time scale.
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    I see what you're saying, but still...where then is the weight coming off from? It's as if some invisible flesh is evaporating. Also, doesn't that seem like very low amount of muscle growth, especially considering I've doubled what I lift since last July?
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    Originally Posted by KetoBob View Post
    I see what you're saying, but still...where then is the weight coming off from? It's as if some invisible flesh is evaporating. Also, doesn't that seem like very low amount of muscle growth, especially considering I've doubled what I lift since last July?
    you added water and now you’re dropping water
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    Originally Posted by KetoBob View Post
    I see what you're saying, but still...where then is the weight coming off from? It's as if some invisible flesh is evaporating. Also, doesn't that seem like very low amount of muscle growth, especially considering I've doubled what I lift since last July?
    This is half of the problem - most people don't appreciate how much fat they have to lose - and can't understand why they barely look any different after losing a few lbs.

    It probably came off from all over. You need to lose a lot more to notice it.
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    I can see shedding water weight, that would make some sense I guess. And now that Suffolk mentions it, I do notice my arms and legs and shoulders and chest do look more defined and cut, it's just the 6 pack not coming in yet, still some belly fat left to get rid of. Always the last to go!

    But I'm still confused as to how I can be progressively lifting more and more weight but not putting on any appreciable muscle. I mean, obviously I don't expect to look like Schwarzenegger in a short time (not even trying to get that bulky), but to go up in weights to were I'm lifting more than twice the weight I used to - shouldn't I see more muscle growth than I am seeing? To me those gains seem pretty tiny over such a long period of time.
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    Most of strength gain is a product of CNS adaption. You have to just keep plugging away and you get what you get. Everyone is different on how their body reacts to stimulus
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    Originally Posted by Tommy W. View Post
    Most of strength gain is a product of CNS adaption. You have to just keep plugging away and you get what you get. Everyone is different on how their body reacts to stimulus
    So would CNS adaptation account for that much gain in weight lifted? What I'm saying is if I went up a few pounds in weight I could see it being CNS adaptation, but to literally double the weight lifted, wouldn't that necessitate more muscle growth than I'm seeing? I'm not clear on what range of muscle growth would be considered normal at 54 years of age. I would have expected more gains than I got considering I'm lifting more than double on lots of exercises.
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    Originally Posted by KetoBob View Post
    So would CNS adaptation account for that much gain in weight lifted? What I'm saying is if I went up a few pounds in weight I could see it being CNS adaptation, but to literally double the weight lifted, wouldn't that necessitate more muscle growth than I'm seeing? I'm not clear on what range of muscle growth would be considered normal at 54 years of age. I would have expected more gains than I got considering I'm lifting more than double on lots of exercises.
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    Originally Posted by KetoBob View Post
    So would CNS adaptation account for that much gain in weight lifted? What I'm saying is if I went up a few pounds in weight I could see it being CNS adaptation, but to literally double the weight lifted, wouldn't that necessitate more muscle growth than I'm seeing? I'm not clear on what range of muscle growth would be considered normal at 54 years of age. I would have expected more gains than I got considering I'm lifting more than double on lots of exercises.
    You've not been eating to put on more muscle
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    Originally Posted by Allm1ght View Post
    You've not been eating to put on more muscle
    Went from 168 to 182...
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