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    Question Gaining weight by any means necessary

    Hey guys,

    I dont want this to be a whiny post or a desperate post whatsoever. I am just wondering at this point whether under the given circumstances it is possible for me to gain any weight. And I am interested in experimenting with any ideas you might have just out of curiosity for the answer to this question.

    My body figure is pretty much the same since I was 13. 183cm/6 feet tall, 55 kg/110 pounds light. I am 21 years old now.

    Obviously I have gotten used to it, but I would like to gain weight, any weight. Doesnt have to be muscle, at this point I would love to be heavier even if it was fat. If I know that I can gain weight at all, I can start thinking about turning it into muscle.

    So, what is the given framework?

    - very little appetite. If I went only by what my appetite, I would probably eat around 1100 kcal per day and not care about it. I can go well into late afternoon without feeling any hunger and at most a tiny bit of appetite whereas all of my colleagues have burning hunger at around 12:30 or 13:00.

    - very little stomach capacity. At around 1/2 of a normal main course portion, I feel totally stuffed. I like food and eating, but after that point its a marathon for me. Note that my colleagues eat the entire portion + appetizer, side dishes and dessert and only then might feel full at all. If I continue eating beyond the point of feeling sated I get nauseated and start gagging at every or every other spoon or fork I eat. Now I know that some might say "you have to force yourself even beyond the gag reflex" but I if really do push myself that far, I run the risk of actually having to vomit. And if that happens, EVERYTHING is coming out and the work of the last 1-2 hours might be totally wasted. I dont know if it is worth that risk.

    - slow/very slow eating. Even if I were totally hungry and ate the same amount, it would take me about double the time and I dont even know why. Even if I dont conversate and only concentrate on eating, EVERYONE is still faster than me except for my 93 year old grandma. Maybe everyone has a second set of teeth behind their normal ones? Note that this does NOT yet include the insane amount of time I spend after feeling totally full on eating the rest very slowly in order to not have anything thrown away. I eat what I put on my plate/tray unless I absolutely hate its taste, because I dont want to miss out on the calories. This can make the entire thing last 2 hours easily, for what others need around 30-40 minutes.

    - protein shakes, the ones that I tasted had such an utterly disgusting taste that it was definitely a task of getting it down. After a while I found a drink that is highly concentrated (3.2 kcal per milliliter) that I could order online and to which taste I could accustom myself. That said, drinking one bottle (= 400 kcal) makes me replete for the next hour or so. Drinking too few of these bottles per day gets me nowhere near 3000 kcal (which in theory I would like to consume per day) but drinking too many makes my feces become somewhat diarrhea-ish which makes me think that it doesnt actually get absorbed and just passes through. Needless to say, experimenting with that drink didnt make me gain weight anyhow.

    - I dont think that I have some medical condition (f.e. hyperthyroidism), because the other symptoms of those conditions dont apply to me

    - doing sports doesnt seem to increase my appetite. After working out I dont feel hungry and if I eat I have the above mentioned problems as usually

    - multiple small meals per day dont seem to work because if I eat a small meal, its gonna make me feel full for the next 2-3 hours. This is even only an option if I can in fact eat the meal in that short amount of time of whatever break I am taking which is usually not the case. Usually, the meals that I would have wanted to eat throughout the day pile up for the evening because I dont have enough time and/or are still full from the previous small meal.

    - I have heard and read a ridiculous contradictory variety of tips:
    "drink water because the hydration will help you/dont drink water because it will fill up your stomach"
    "eat rich foods like rice, bread, noodles, potatoes and so on, because protein is what people eat to gain weight/dont eat thrice, bread, noodles, potatoes, rather eat others that are vitamin-rich, because you wont be able to eat an effective amount of those fiber and protein-rich foods with such a limited stomach capacity"
    "drink milk, bodybuilders do it/dont drink milk, rather water"
    "eat eggs, they help you gain weight/dont eat eggs, they get recommended to people who want to lose weight"

    - speaking of drinking water, there are points many times during the meal where I feel like I have to drink water, otherwise I wont be able to get the food down, but I can feel how heavily the water fills my stomach. After I drink a glass of water, I dont feel like eating for at least 5 minutes, maybe 10 minutes before I feel like some space has been made available in my stomach.



    Those were all the hurdles that I could think of at this time that I have observed over the years. Again, not whining, its just become a curious situation at this point that I wanted to ask those that are passionate about on a forum.

    If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

    Thanks a lot in advance for any ideas.

    [TL;DR

    How would you gain weight at all (fat or muscle, doesnt matter) if:

    - you had very little appetite
    - you had very little stomach capacity
    - you could only eat very slowly
    - protein shakes or concentrated supplements dont seem to work
    - its not a medical condition
    - sports doesnt increase my appetite
    - multiple meals per day dont work because they are still too much or I dont have the time
    - and some other factors were in the way?]
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    It all comes down to calories. Make your own weight gaining shakes (milk, peanut butter, oats, etc) and that should make it easier. Talk to your doctor as there are medicines that can stimulate appetite and aid gastrointestinal transmit time.
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    Drink this:-



    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-rashers.html

    That will do it. Seriously look for high caloric foods if you are struggling to add weight, add oils to everything and you will gain weight.
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    Originally Posted by Vyrox View Post
    - protein shakes or concentrated supplements dont seem to work
    - its not a medical condition
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    Well, then you need a feeding tube, because if you're saying that drinking whole milk blended with peanut butter can't get you over 1100 calories a day, then I suspect there IS an underlying medical condition.

    If all you did was add 3 servings of peanut butter and 3 cups of whole milk to your daily intake, you'd already be at 1025 calories...

    If you seriously can't do that (just drinking liquid and eating nut butter) again I think you need actual medical help.
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    Well, then you need a feeding tube, because if you're saying that drinking whole milk blended with peanut butter can't get you over 1100 calories a day, then I suspect there IS an underlying medical condition.

    If all you did was add 3 servings of peanut butter and 3 cups of whole milk to your daily intake, you'd already be at 1025 calories...

    If you seriously can't do that (just drinking liquid and eating nut butter) again I think you need actual medical help.
    Thanks for the reply. What does 3 servings of peanut butter mean in terms of amount?
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    Originally Posted by Vyrox View Post
    Thanks for the reply. What does 3 servings of peanut butter mean in terms of amount?
    6 tablespoons or about 100 grams
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    Well, then you need a feeding tube, because if you're saying that drinking whole milk blended with peanut butter can't get you over 1100 calories a day, then I suspect there IS an underlying medical condition.

    If all you did was add 3 servings of peanut butter and 3 cups of whole milk to your daily intake, you'd already be at 1025 calories...

    If you seriously can't do that (just drinking liquid and eating nut butter) again I think you need actual medical help.
    This. I rely on pb/almond butter and whole milk yogurt to hit my high daily caloric needs (about 3.5k) and I'd consider myself to have a pretty small stomach capacity, plus indigestion and GERD that limit my ability to eat a large amount in one sitting. Even I could easily eat over 1k calories from just fatty fish like salmon or tuna alone. If this is how little you can eat, you almost definitely have a medical condition. It may also be a mental health problem, because my appetite has been shot from my PTSD as well. Also, I don't buy all these posters that say they'd eat "less than 1500 cals per day if they could". I'm telling you from someone who used to say the same thing...eating that way for a day might feel ok, but give it a couple days in a row and you'll either change your tone or be on the road to a horrible eating disorder. Eating isn't JUST about filling your stomach, it's about having enough energy to function.
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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    This. I rely on pb/almond butter and whole milk yogurt to hit my high daily caloric needs (about 3.5k) and I'd consider myself to have a pretty small stomach capacity, plus indigestion and GERD that limit my ability to eat a large amount in one sitting. Even I could easily eat over 1k calories from just fatty fish like salmon or tuna alone. If this is how little you can eat, you almost definitely have a medical condition. Also, I don't buy all these posters that say they'd eat "less than 1500 cals per day if they could". I'm telling you from someone who used to say the same thing...eating that way for a day might feel ok, but give it a couple days in a row and you'll either change your tone or be on the road to a horrible eating disorder.
    This x1000

    I am almost 100% sure my GERD (which was diagnosed as 'severe' by several pretty invasive tests) was caused by my ED/lack of consistent energy intake, and it prevents me from not only having too much food in one sitting, but also how much liquid I can have with or around meals...

    It causes big issues with fueling myself for training, so I have to be careful if I want to perform optimally and time things right... also the reason I gave up regular coffee and alcohol except on super, super rare occasions.

    I've found like avocados, nuts, and 2%+ fat greek yogurt to be amazing on digestion and being able to get in calories.

    One of my favorite college day higher-calorie snack 'hacks' was a bowl of whole-milk greek yogurt, and this mixed in:






    The dried fruit they put in it was pretty heavily sweetened... but oh lord... it was like candy... such an easy way to crush 800+ calories without batting an eye

    One time I simply couldn't stop eating it and I think I had like 1/4 of the bag, it was that addicting.
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    This x1000

    I am almost 100% sure my GERD (which was diagnosed as 'severe' by several pretty invasive tests) was caused by my ED/lack of consistent energy intake, and it prevents me from not only having too much food in one sitting, but also how much liquid I can have with or around meals...

    It causes big issues with fueling myself for training, so I have to be careful if I want to perform optimally and time things right... also the reason I gave up regular coffee and alcohol except on super, super rare occasions.

    I've found like avocados, nuts, and 2%+ fat greek yogurt to be amazing on digestion and being able to get in calories.

    One of my favorite college day higher-calorie snack 'hacks' was a bowl of whole-milk greek yogurt, and this mixed in:






    The dried fruit they put in it was pretty heavily sweetened... but oh lord... it was like candy... such an easy way to crush 800+ calories without batting an eye

    One time I simply couldn't stop eating it and I think I had like 1/4 of the bag, it was that addicting.
    Interesting. I think mine was made 1000x worse if not created by my restriction as well. It was a self-feeding cycle. The less I ate, the worse my GERD issues got, and the worse they got the less I wanted to eat. I've also had to cut out coffee (except special occasions) and limit my alcohol intake, and +1 to all those foods you listed. They're all staples in my diet and exceptionally "soothing" to my gut.

    & does Costco still have that fruit & nut medley? I've been looking to change things up from my standard fruit/nut/granola mix & that looks absolutely incredible!
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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    Interesting. I think mine was made 1000x worse if not created by my restriction as well. It was a self-feeding cycle. The less I ate, the worse my GERD issues got, and the worse they got the less I wanted to eat. I've also had to cut out coffee (except special occasions) and limit my alcohol intake, and +1 to all those foods you listed. They're all staples in my diet and exceptionally "soothing" to my gut.

    & does Costco still have that fruit & nut medley? I've been looking to change things up from my standard fruit/nut/granola mix & that looks absolutely incredible!
    This is just my personal suspicion based on some studies i've seen and understanding of the basic physiology of the stomach/esophagus, but the stomach and esophageal sphincter seem to work together to manage and contain acid levels depending on the types and amounts of food you consume. If you're not consuming much fat, food volume, or overall calories, you produce less bile, acid, etc, and your esophageal sphincter becomes weaker (because it does not have to contract/tighten to contain food like it should be). If this persists long enough, it can be difficult to fix if not impossible, and once food is reintroduced (during recovery for example), you get spikes in acid production but the sphincter cannot keep up with the new rate of acid present... so, you get reflux which cannot be controlled due to damage muscle tone in that area.

    I don't have hard evidence of course, but intuitively it would make sense. You use it or you lose it ;o)

    I actually haven't been to Costco in a while so I'm not sure if it's still there... I kind of doubt it though because my dad used to always buy it, and I never see it when I stop by his place anymore.

    It's sad, MAN that stuff was like crack... definitely not the most wholesome mix because of how they kind of candied the fruit, but man if you wanted a sweet/savory fix, it was golden!
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    Are you currently lifting as well? How is your squat form?
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    I'm gonna echo the calorie dense peanut butter option just take a big spoon and take a few spoonfuls a few times a day bam 1000+ calories added for less than 10 bites.
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    Originally Posted by GrouchyUSMC View Post
    Are you currently lifting as well? How is your squat form?
    Totally honest, no. Not lifting or doing any sports. The fact that I didnt get more hungry after doing sports made me worry that I would burn an x amount of calories without being proportionally hungry enough to get it back in, so I was worried about a net loss, which at my state (=severely underweight) is the absolute last thing I wanted. Dont let this distract you from the fact that I am also lazy, but I first want to figure out how to gain any weight before I burn calories.
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    Originally Posted by Vyrox View Post
    Totally honest, no. Not lifting or doing any sports. The fact that I didnt get more hungry after doing sports made me worry that I would burn an x amount of calories without being proportionally hungry enough to get it back in, so I was worried about a net loss, which at my state (=severely underweight) is the absolute last thing I wanted. Dont let this distract you from the fact that I am also lazy, but I first want to figure out how to gain any weight before I burn calories.
    The best thing you can do is if you're worried you're not eating enough is to start exercising. You will find yourself being hungry after working out and will be able to eat more. I know after a really hard workout I have to be careful not to eat everything that's not nailed down.

    Even if you're not eating much, still eat at your regular times (breakfast, lunch, dinner). Add a big glass of milk to each meal. Start with any beginner strength program. You'll see some changes in appetite quickly, and weight probably soon thereafter.
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