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    2020 Attraction Theory - Women select men based on image "archetypes"

    been thinking about this for awhile and finally decided to post about it. I think this does a good job at explaining a lot of the extreme inconsistencies that men observe with regards to what men women choose to be with.

    "women select men based on image archetypes, if you do not fit into the mold of one of these archetypes, you are invisible to them"

    By Image archetypes, I am referring to the image-based "vibe" that men portray, through their image (looks/dress/etc) and how it fits with predetermined archetypes that women choose to mold to their sexual strategy, often done subconsiously. these archetypes hold a purpose for most women across their life and are driven by their sexual strategy and by their past social upbringing.

    Obvious Examples:

    the "CHAD" - extroverted, naturally confident, physically strong, imposing
    the "BETA pushover" - soft-spoken weak, flabby, "nice", "pleasant".


    Luckily, most men manage to cross paths with whatever archetype a certain women(s) is looking for at a certain time. An example would be - a CHAD during a women's college years or a BETA BOB when she wants to settle down. less obvious examples are the "nerdy guy with glasses" look when she suddently is fasninated by astronomy class or the or the "barista with tattoos" look when she gets heavy into literature in high school. Maybe based on her upbringing she suddenly finds a guy who looks like a stereotypical hunger/fisher attractive because most of her family was like that growing up. at even a more microscopic level - you could remind her of a famous rapper or celebrity and she will be attracted to you (Even if you are not that attractive). the FAILURE to cross paths with whatever image archetype a women wants is where you have continual dating failures.

    This explains who men who are decent, have their **** together, (like otaku etc) seem to coninuously fail with women that they should reasonable expect to be attracted to them, continously, over time. The obvious retorts from others miscers and society seems to be that he must be doing something wrong - either personality, game/etc. however, these are met with OBVIOUS contradictions in real life everywhere. example - "it must be that you are too nervous and women sense that" - however I personally know men who are absolute nervous wrecks that are with cute girls. others - "it must be your confidence" - again, I know men who are terribly not confident with cute girls. Ok - so maybe it IS your looks - well..I do know guys that look like beta bob with cute wives. and so often you will see men who have a combination of "terrible" qualities (weak, pushover, not attractive, fat, unconfident) with decent women. these are the craziest contradictions.

    The men who fail, as a mentioned again, are the ones who don't fit into ANY of these types. I'm definetely one of them (And I think otaku is as well). I'm nerdy, but not a stereotypical nerd. I'm also very muscular and dress well and can speak my mind easily, but also very queit at times. I don't follow trends. I don't like instagram/facebook. I don't want sports - I play piano/guitar. but not pop songs - jazz/etc. my look also doesnt fit in anywhere. Im part asian part white part chinese and I just don't look like anyone else.


    Note - this rule doesnt apply if you have raw good looks (obviously a guy who is very very attractive will always be attractive to most women regardless of what subtype he fits into)
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    My sister was talking to my mom the other day. She told her that its almost impossible to choose a guy anymore because she has so many options online. Keep in mind that my sister is an overweight, nerd. I see good looking and intelligent females(my sister is in med. school) use online dating and have hundreds if not thousands more options that ever before. Its not only useless whores or undesirable who use online dating anymore.

    Inceldom is only going to increase from now on... Tinder only became really big in 2016... We're only a few years on from them. All across the age spectrum, female hypergamy and standards will shoot up. I am nearly middle age........25 now. But i kinda feel thankful i'm not younger. I had a good teens when things were still semi-normal. I got girls in H.S and middle school. Now i get ignored and rejected by average females. I'm "not their type" or "they already have a boyfriend.".. LOL.
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    Originally Posted by johnnydeep1 View Post
    My sister was talking to my mom the other day. She told her that its almost impossible to choose a guy anymore because she has so many options online. Keep in mind that my sister is an overweight, nerd. I see good looking and intelligent females(my sister is in med. school) use online dating and have hundreds if not thousands more options that ever before.

    Inceldom is only going to increase from now on... Tinder only became really big in 2016... We're only a few years on from them. All across the age spectrum, female hypergamy and standards will shoot up. I am nearly middle age........25 now. But i kinda feel thankful i'm not younger. I had a good teens when things were still semi-normal. I got girls in H.S and middle school. Now i get ignored and rejected by average females. I'm "not their type" or "they already have a boyfriend.".. LOL.

    I agree. inceldom is going to increase drastically. but in the end their will also be a huge increase in women left behind - ones that grew overly entitled and let that entitlement and arrogance blind them to decent men they could form lifelong bonds and family with.

    in the end the ones that will be ok are the "good catches" for men and traditional women. these people will develop familes that sustain them through their life and grow old with. family is incredibly important for long term health and happiness (in general, if you choose wisely).

    unfortunately, a lot of decent good men will be familyless in older age just because they were weeded out of the gene pool due to not being selected. this is the sad fact.

    for these men, the better choice is to chose to enjoy life for what it is and for the experience. make it your own. I'm 34 and am fully choosing to enjoy my life without a partner for what it is. sure, there are lonely moments, andI had to learn to adapt to those, but so far I am having a blast.
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    Originally Posted by psychosylocibin View Post
    I agree. inceldom is going to increase drastically. but in the end their will also be a huge increase in women left behind - ones that grew overly entitled and let that entitlement and arrogance blind them to decent men they could form lifelong bonds and family with.

    in the end the ones that will be ok are the "good catches" for men and traditional women. these people will develop familes that sustain them through their life and grow old with. family is incredibly important for long term health and happiness (in general, if you choose wisely).

    unfortunately, a lot of decent good men will be familyless in older age just because they were weeded out of the gene pool due to not being selected. this is the sad fact.

    for these men, the better choice is to chose to enjoy life for what it is and for the experience. make it your own. I'm 34 and am fully choosing to enjoy my life without a partner for what it is. sure, there are lonely moments, andI had to learn to adapt to those, but so far I am having a blast.
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    didn't read all that garbage, If I can make her feel, I can make her phuck. White , black, asian, rich, poor, old , young. Things i use to make them feel: my words, my aesthetic body, my beard, my physical touch, my cock, my money, drugs. Das it.
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    Women these days just fuk around with their hundreds of options until they reach mid to late 20's and then they settle for a beta provider who they only give sex to once per month

    Either way you're screwed

    When you go places you don't ever see men talk to women anymore because they know they have so many options
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    You guys are overlooking one other thing . A lot of guys that pull the sloots have that personality thing going for them . Sloots like guys with a psychopathic personality. It’s proven in prisons , as a lot of prisoners have sloots lining up for conjugal visits .

    It’s funny as their doing studies and just realizing this now. I could have told them this decades ago, as I’ve noticed sloots would rather be beat to death than bored to death

    https://www.psypost.org/2019/10/new-...to-women-54676


    But yes I’d say everything has changed post 2012 . Mostly Chads are going to be doing most of the impregnating, and Incelism is going to increase in unprecedented numbers , no question about it .
    I’m glad I’m old and don’t give 2 fuks anymore . But I do feel bad for our younger generations of men,as their options are going to be very limited .
    Some will be lucky if they can even get a Wildebeest, as they are getting validation on social media and getting fussier
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    Originally Posted by MajorTendonitis View Post
    You guys are overlooking one other thing . A lot of guys that pull the sloots have that personality thing going for them . Sloots like guys with a psychopathic personality. It’s proven in prisons , as a lot of prisoners have sloots lining up for conjugal visits .

    It’s funny as their doing studies and just realizing this now. I could have told them this decades ago, as I’ve noticed sloots would rather be beat to death than bored to death

    https://www.psypost.org/2019/10/new-...to-women-54676


    But yes I’d say everything has changed post 2012 . Mostly Chads are going to be doing most of the impregnating, and Incelism is going to increase in unprecedented numbers , no question about it .
    I’m glad I’m old and don’t give 2 fuks anymore . But I do feel bad for our younger generations of men,as their options are going to be very limited , if they can even get a Wildebeest unless your Chad
    . They like rich men far more than they like "bad boys." I only earn around 60,000 so im not rich; nor have I had a bitch since H.S, but just saying.I know because I have a sister in the house and she wants to date rich guys, not "bad boys."
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    Originally Posted by johnnydeep1 View Post
    . They like rich men far more than they like "bad boys." I only earn around 60,000 so im not rich; nor have I had a bitch since H.S, but just saying.I know because I have a sister in the house and she wants to date rich guys, not "bad boys."
    Yes they want rich guys . Then they stick around long enough till they can take half their net worth and move on to Chad .
    Witnesses this personally many times.

    All the sloot nurses here do there utmost to marry a surgeon .
    Then after two years it time to clean the guy out and find Chad.
    Sloots would sooner be beat to death than bored to death .
    You do realize a sloot is nothing more than a toddler in an adult body right?
    Don’t give them too much credit
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    Inceldom is a choice. Women don't walk up to guys to get plucked they just cooperate. You guys don't play the game so I don't see why you're so amazed at not profiting with the chics you want. Tinder is ****ing garbage leave that platform to die with all the attention whores on there. If you want to make it happen you need to keep at it in social circles and at best for online choices. Facebook. And no, not the dating version that's ass as well

    Women don't like it when you commit at the beginning so fk that it's even better for us just go for what you want damnit. That's all I had to read up in here and everyone is an idiot and doesn't explain this. Just went on a date yesterday and talking to another girl that physically is right on my type
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    Originally Posted by psychosylocibin View Post
    I agree. inceldom is going to increase drastically. but in the end their will also be a huge increase in women left behind - ones that grew overly entitled and let that entitlement and arrogance blind them to decent men they could form lifelong bonds and family with.

    in the end the ones that will be ok are the "good catches" for men and traditional women. these people will develop familes that sustain them through their life and grow old with. family is incredibly important for long term health and happiness (in general, if you choose wisely).

    unfortunately, a lot of decent good men will be familyless in older age just because they were weeded out of the gene pool due to not being selected. this is the sad fact.

    for these men, the better choice is to chose to enjoy life for what it is and for the experience. make it your own. I'm 34 and am fully choosing to enjoy my life without a partner for what it is. sure, there are lonely moments, andI had to learn to adapt to those, but so far I am having a blast.


    I don't know about eveything else but this absolutely will happen. Some of these women will attempt to grab a guy right before its truly too late (around 40ish) only to find that men around that age have slowed down, grown accustomed to not having a woman, enjoy their disposable income too much or if they are actually a catch can have a bit of fun with slightly younger women. Overall not good for our society but likely a by product of our extreme success.


    As to your theory, there is something to it. Plus side is eventually you probably will fit into one of these roles minus the beta bob thing.

    A solid stable provider is not a beta and we used to cough up more respect for them. Some certainly are but just because you settle down doesn't make you a beta. Real betas are by definition not very capable. They couldnt really support a family.

    I'm not into this redpill incel nonsense. Online dating has made things worse but hell even I just caught myself flaking on girls just this past week and I am not catch at all. The entire thing is just a little tiring.
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    Originally Posted by EliasEmmanuel View Post
    Inceldom is a choice. Women don't walk up to guys to get plucked they just cooperate. You guys don't play the game so I don't see why you're so amazed at not profiting with the chics you want. Tinder is ****ing garbage leave that platform to die with all the attention whores on there. If you want to make it happen you need to keep at it in social circles and at best for online choices. Facebook. And no, not the dating version that's ass as well

    Women don't like it when you commit at the beginning so fk that it's even better for us just go for what you want damnit. That's all I had to read up in here and everyone is an idiot and doesn't explain this. Just went on a date yesterday and talking to another girl that physically is right on my type
    I just send a girl from high school( last time I saw her was 5 years ago) a Facebook message saying “ it’s been awhile, how have you been.” Hope it goes well!
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    You got a lot right and I think I can elaborate on some.

    What you had identified as "archetypes" I think could also be described as just different personality traits. If you look up the Big 5 it is the dominant method in personality psychology to assess people. People are naturally attracted to people who are similar to them. However we know that a small % of men hook up with the majority of females despite the potential for personality attraction and the fact we live in a monogamous society. Why?

    Because woman tend to mate only across and up dominance hierarchies. Ie even if a man and a woman could "click" or are compatible personality wise the woman won't be attracted to him unless she sees him as a "catch". It's how women evolved and you can't blame them, if they mate with a physically weak mate who is at the bottom of the totem pole in the social group then her offspring will likely die and her genes won't be passed on. This is the majority of marriages are woman with a man who is 5-8 years older. Older men tend to have a couple more years of experience with women, longer working out, more time to save up wealth etc.

    Basically, if you want to get the chance to connect with a girl you gotta be a catch in her eyes. Whether it's because you're super attractive, or you're in the same career field and you're doing well, or you're super social and popular, or you're financially set with a good house and job.
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    I wasnt go to reply here.

    But idk, i seem to know women.

    That is something often forgot about. You listed all the archetypes, and you are correct in a sense, but i think theres more nuance. Its just ive always known what women want and like so dont even worry about that

    You have to say.. Its also sexy from the other side. Imagine a girl knows you so well she knows exactly how to get you off

    If you dont it may even suggest you dont care, which isnt sexy. This isnt the "aloof" act were talking about. Genuine disinterest in the opposite sex wouldnt be conducive for positive interactions
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    So 20% more men just decided to become incel in the last decade?
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    Originally Posted by DharmaYoung19 View Post
    You got a lot right and I think I can elaborate on some.

    What you had identified as "archetypes" I think could also be described as just different personality traits. If you look up the Big 5 it is the dominant method in personality psychology to assess people. People are naturally attracted to people who are similar to them. However we know that a small % of men hook up with the majority of females despite the potential for personality attraction and the fact we live in a monogamous society. Why?

    Because woman tend to mate only across and up dominance hierarchies. Ie even if a man and a woman could "click" or are compatible personality wise the woman won't be attracted to him unless she sees him as a "catch". It's how women evolved and you can't blame them, if they mate with a physically weak mate who is at the bottom of the totem pole in the social group then her offspring will likely die and her genes won't be passed on. This is the majority of marriages are woman with a man who is 5-8 years older. Older men tend to have a couple more years of experience with women, longer working out, more time to save up wealth etc.

    Basically, if you want to get the chance to connect with a girl you gotta be a catch in her eyes. Whether it's because you're super attractive, or you're in the same career field and you're doing well, or you're super social and popular, or you're financially set with a good house and job.
    I think it is true that in general women mate up and across, but there are some holes in this. how do you explain hot women sleeping with unemployed drug addicts or rich asian surgeons being unable to find a date (yes I personally know some). I disagree with being a "catch". Being seen as a "high quality guy" doesn't necesarrily mean that a specific women is attracted to you. it just means that she feels like you are the type of "good guy" a women should be with. it doesnt mean "Attraction". you know where youve heard this before? "why do women say I'm such a great guy but they keep friendzoninng"...exactly.
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    I've literally had multiple women throughout my life say things like this

    "I can't figure you out"
    "You're like...strange. Not in a weird way"
    "You're like...all over the place"

    Then I've also had people that outright told me they used to be racist, but I made them feel very odd, and they actually dropped or extremely modified their views.

    In short I think I cause cognitive dissonance in people which can lead to uncomfortable feelings due to the internal conflict of thoughts/perception vs reality.

    And this is ALSO why I think I do great overseas or with FOBs. My personality, interests, accents, attire, and etc doesnt set off a subconscious "this Black guy isnt like the others"

    Inb4 cope, but I've noticed alot of non ugly non white brahs run into this. I've also seen white guys I knew that grew up in the hood, and how they also get **** from people. (Just getting **** on by white women that claim to not be bigots or racist)


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    Originally Posted by johnnydeep1 View Post
    My sister was talking to my mom the other day. She told her that its almost impossible to choose a guy anymore because she has so many options online. Keep in mind that my sister is an overweight, nerd. I see good looking and intelligent females(my sister is in med. school) use online dating and have hundreds if not thousands more options that ever before. Its not only useless whores or undesirable who use online dating anymore.

    Inceldom is only going to increase from now on... Tinder only became really big in 2016... We're only a few years on from them. All across the age spectrum, female hypergamy and standards will shoot up. I am nearly middle age........25 now. But i kinda feel thankful i'm not younger. I had a good teens when things were still semi-normal. I got girls in H.S and middle school. Now i get ignored and rejected by average females. I'm "not their type" or "they already have a boyfriend.".. LOL.
    It's funny because women have so many options now they will even reject 8/10 dudes when they are like 4/10.
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    Originally Posted by otakutrevan View Post
    I've literally had multiple women throughout my life say things like this

    "I can't figure you out"
    "You're like...strange. Not in a weird way"
    "You're like...all over the place"

    Then I've also had people that outright told me they used to be racist, but I made them feel very odd, and they actually dropped or extremely modified their views.

    In short I think I cause cognitive dissonance in people which can lead to uncomfortable feelings due to the internal conflict of thoughts/perception vs reality.

    And this is ALSO why I think I do great overseas or with FOBs. My personality, interests, accents, attire, and etc doesnt set off a subconscious "this Black guy isnt like the others"

    Inb4 cope, but I've noticed alot of non ugly non white brahs run into this. I've also seen white guys I knew that grew up in the hood, and how they also get **** from people. (Just getting **** on by white women that claim to not be bigots or racist)


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    Originally Posted by colormeconfused View Post
    It's funny because women have so many options now they will even reject 8/10 dudes when they are like 4/10.
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    I couldn't relate more to this, srs.
    Dang son. Curious to here your take on this. I 100% believe, regardless of fitness and confidence, that being a not living up to stereotypes to fufill peoples idea of what a black man is in the USA, can severely hurt you in the dating world.
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    Originally Posted by otakutrevan View Post
    Dang son. Curious to here your take on this. I 100% believe, regardless of fitness and confidence, that being a not living up to stereotypes to fufill peoples idea of what a black man is in the USA, can severely hurt you in the dating world.
    Nah that only goes for some of the girls that grew up in the hood. Or immature girls. I get poon thrown at me all the time and I don’t act like a thug at all. Pretty articulate and just stay mysterious most of the time. Not on purpose though. I think it’s b/c I never put a woman before me. If I’m busy I’m busy. I’ll get to them when I can. Not in a dickesh way though.
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    Originally Posted by otakutrevan View Post
    Dang son. Curious to here your take on this. I 100% believe, regardless of fitness and confidence, that being a not living up to stereotypes to fufill peoples idea of what a black man is in the USA, can severely hurt you in the dating world.
    I agree with this too. I want to share an experience that kind of opened my eyes.

    When I was with my ex gf, I would sometimes use this fake "ghetto" accent to be funny with her. Turns out that chit got her super wet, she told me this herself and admitted she wouldn't mind if I acted that way all of the time. It kind of hurt knowing she preferred a different "me" rather than the one in front of her.

    I also believe some people (primarily women) misunderstand black men like us and believe our mannerism, dress, and style is some strategic effort to appear "different" when in reality they're a legitimate part of our personality. That might explain why some women are not attracted to our "non type".

    I've experienced this cognitave dissonance in social/work settings and noticed that others kept me at a "polite" distance. You do not fit their preconcieved role for you, and it makes them uncomfortable.

    This doesn't apply to everyone of course, but rather a minority of individuals that we might encounter.


    I know people will accuse me of "coping" for some flaw that I'm refusing to acknowledge, but in reality those people are coping because they don't want to acknowledge an uncomfortable truth. It's far easier to discredit the person sharing that truth. Inb4 someone calls out the irony in my previous statement.
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    Originally Posted by otakutrevan View Post
    I've literally had multiple women throughout my life say things like this

    "I can't figure you out"
    "You're like...strange. Not in a weird way"
    "You're like...all over the place"

    Then I've also had people that outright told me they used to be racist, but I made them feel very odd, and they actually dropped or extremely modified their views.

    In short I think I cause cognitive dissonance in people which can lead to uncomfortable feelings due to the internal conflict of thoughts/perception vs reality.

    And this is ALSO why I think I do great overseas or with FOBs. My personality, interests, accents, attire, and etc doesnt set off a subconscious "this Black guy isnt like the others"

    Inb4 cope, but I've noticed alot of non ugly non white brahs run into this. I've also seen white guys I knew that grew up in the hood, and how they also get **** from people. (Just getting **** on by white women that claim to not be bigots or racist)


    Being the "odd man out" is never a good thing. Regardless of how confident you are, or how much you try to "own it".
    Ok now this is accurate. I'm currently living in Mexico and people say I look mexican but when I talk they notice I'm actually foreign. Mexicans on average are just focused on corridos, drinking, soccer teams and bs. I drift away from all that and do me. 80% of women are turned off by the idea of me going off to do my thing and reject society or the general idea of what makes a mexican citizen. I do not care enough. I will die being the man I want to be. Diz bitches are not worth it
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    Originally Posted by otakutrevan View Post
    I've literally had multiple women throughout my life say things like this

    "I can't figure you out"
    "You're like...strange. Not in a weird way"
    "You're like...all over the place"

    Then I've also had people that outright told me they used to be racist, but I made them feel very odd, and they actually dropped or extremely modified their views.

    In short I think I cause cognitive dissonance in people which can lead to uncomfortable feelings due to the internal conflict of thoughts/perception vs reality.

    And this is ALSO why I think I do great overseas or with FOBs. My personality, interests, accents, attire, and etc doesnt set off a subconscious "this Black guy isnt like the others"

    Inb4 cope, but I've noticed alot of non ugly non white brahs run into this. I've also seen white guys I knew that grew up in the hood, and how they also get **** from people. (Just getting **** on by white women that claim to not be bigots or racist)


    Being the "odd man out" is never a good thing. Regardless of how confident you are, or how much you try to "own it".
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