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    Impeachment

    Trump called the new president of Ukraine and asked him to investigate corruption around the Biden's -- as Vice President, Biden had negotiated in a quid pro quo with Ukraine corrupt money for his son, and possibly himself, to the tune of hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars.

    Trump didn't do or intend anything corrupt like that - all he asked was for it to be investigated, which is totally part of his duty as the chief executive. Investigating corruption, even as a quid pro quo with a foreign power, is totally legitimate and within Presidential power. In fact it's the duty of the executive to do things like that. There's absolutely no crime here - at least not by Donald Trump.

    Quid pro quo is a norm in foreign policy, we always demand things in exchange for aid. There's nothing wrong with quid pro quo per se. The question is what is the nature of the deal - if it's a deal made for personal gain, say millions of dollars to a family member for doing nothing, then it's corruption, pure and simple. If the demand is that they *investigate* corruption, well that's an absolutely positive thing and in many ways a normal and necessary part of foreign aid packages - after all, if we are giving money to a corrupt institution which is simply going to steal it and squander it rather than use it for the purpose they claimed, well how can we do a deal like that? Demands to investigate corruption in exchange for aid are normal and are a healthy and positive kind of quid pro quo when it comes to foreign policy. The Ukraine president was elected on a platform of fighting corruption, so this is especially appropriate in this scenario. As Trump said, this was a *perfect* call, and he wouldn't and shouldn't change a thing about it. It's not something he's hiding or covering for, he's proud of it, he released the transcript day one. Trump is 100% right on this one. The left is playing a game of blame the other guy for what you did. It's a classic move on their part.
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    Nothing new has been revealed here

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    Donald Trump was the worst person in the world when he said he would accept the result of the election if he won - Hillary herself specifically said he was something along the lines of a dangerous lunatic for saying so

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    The reason you're seeing "abuse of powers" and "obstruction of Congress" is because it will give them more time to formulate exactly what "abuse of powers" and "obstruction of Congress" means because thus far, nothing he has done has been technically illegal - just offensive to the fragile feelings of the Dumocrat Congress members. If they framed actual. specific charges, there would be a number of Dumbocrat members of Congress, plus Joe Biden himself, that would get fuked over by their own stupid impeachment scam.
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    Good write up OP.
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    thanks, I was astonished at a friend buying into the impeachment narrative without having looked into it enough. I had to explain it.
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    They want to impeach him because he refused to quickly give our tax dollars to a foreign country that 99% of the citizens cannot find on a map and 99.9% do not care about.
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    "Quid pro quo is a norm in foreign policy, we always demand things in exchange for aid"

    yeah, in exchange for things that are good for the people and the country as a whole - like lowering tariffs or disarming a weapons program

    but not in exchange for personal political favors, like what trump did. how do you not understand this?

    is it because youre just really stupid and cant tell the difference?

    or maybe youre just super dishonest and cant really acknowledge what happened?

    the only people who make this argument are shameless die hard trumpers with no interest in what actually happened
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    Like I said earlier, Mental Gymnastics Championship going on right now:
    • Biden admits Quid Pro Quo for obvious corrupt personal reasons - no big deal.
    • Trump asks Ukraine to look into Biden's corrupt Quid Pro Quo - Red Flag for Anti-Trumpers.
    • Anti-Trumpers accuse Trump of abusing his power to investigate clear corrupt Quid Pro Quo.
    • Anti-Trumpers destroyed the credibility of the one candidate that had any residual hope of defeating Trump by bringing more attention to his corrupt actions via the Impeachment Circus.
    • Self Inflicted Buckshot Wound - Goodbye 2020.
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    Originally Posted by righteousreason View Post
    Trump called the new president of Ukraine and asked him to investigate corruption around the Biden's -- as Vice President, Biden had negotiated in a quid pro quo with Ukraine corrupt money for his son, and possibly himself, to the tune of hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars.

    Trump didn't do or intend anything corrupt like that - all he asked was for it to be investigated, which is totally part of his duty as the chief executive. Investigating corruption, even as a quid pro quo with a foreign power, is totally legitimate and within Presidential power. In fact it's the duty of the executive to do things like that. There's absolutely no crime here - at least not by Donald Trump.

    Quid pro quo is a norm in foreign policy, we always demand things in exchange for aid. There's nothing wrong with quid pro quo per se. The question is what is the nature of the deal - if it's a deal made for personal gain, say millions of dollars to a family member for doing nothing, then it's corruption, pure and simple. If the demand is that they *investigate* corruption, well that's an absolutely positive thing and in many ways a normal and necessary part of foreign aid packages - after all, if we are giving money to a corrupt institution which is simply going to steal it and squander it rather than use it for the purpose they claimed, well how can we do a deal like that? Demands to investigate corruption in exchange for aid are normal and are a healthy and positive kind of quid pro quo when it comes to foreign policy. The Ukraine president was elected on a platform of fighting corruption, so this is especially appropriate in this scenario. As Trump said, this was a *perfect* call, and he wouldn't and shouldn't change a thing about it. It's not something he's hiding or covering for, he's proud of it, he released the transcript day one. Trump is 100% right on this one. The left is playing a game of blame the other guy for what you did. It's a classic move on their part.
    He threatened to withhold tax-payer funding if they didn't help him dig up dirt on his political opponents.

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    Originally Posted by righteousreason View Post
    Trump called the new president of Ukraine and asked him to investigate corruption around the Biden's -- as Vice President, Biden had negotiated in a quid pro quo with Ukraine corrupt money for his son, and possibly himself, to the tune of hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars.

    Trump didn't do or intend anything corrupt like that - all he asked was for it to be investigated, which is totally part of his duty as the chief executive. Investigating corruption, even as a quid pro quo with a foreign power, is totally legitimate and within Presidential power. In fact it's the duty of the executive to do things like that. There's absolutely no crime here - at least not by Donald Trump.

    Quid pro quo is a norm in foreign policy, we always demand things in exchange for aid. There's nothing wrong with quid pro quo per se. The question is what is the nature of the deal - if it's a deal made for personal gain, say millions of dollars to a family member for doing nothing, then it's corruption, pure and simple. If the demand is that they *investigate* corruption, well that's an absolutely positive thing and in many ways a normal and necessary part of foreign aid packages - after all, if we are giving money to a corrupt institution which is simply going to steal it and squander it rather than use it for the purpose they claimed, well how can we do a deal like that? Demands to investigate corruption in exchange for aid are normal and are a healthy and positive kind of quid pro quo when it comes to foreign policy. The Ukraine president was elected on a platform of fighting corruption, so this is especially appropriate in this scenario. As Trump said, this was a *perfect* call, and he wouldn't and shouldn't change a thing about it. It's not something he's hiding or covering for, he's proud of it, he released the transcript day one. Trump is 100% right on this one. The left is playing a game of blame the other guy for what you did. It's a classic move on their part.
    where do you guys get this? are you making it up in your head?

    google. Its easy. Just google and you won't look dumb

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...n-and-ukraine/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...omes-up-short/

    https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/tr...n-and-ukraine/

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...asis-quicktake

    https://www.axios.com/joe-hunter-bid...51759063c.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/29/b...na-hunter.html

    President Trump and his allies have made a barrage of allegations and insinuations — some legitimate, others fabricated — about the activities of Joe Biden and his son Hunter in Ukraine.

    Why it matters: The president’s defenders and opponents have used a similar set of facts to shape wildly different narratives on this issue. As a result, there has been much confusion over whether Trump’s leading 2020 challenger is being unfairly maligned or has something to answer for.

    Hunter Biden’s work:

    True: Beginning in 2014, Hunter Biden served on the board of a Ukrainian energy company, Burisma, that faced allegations of corruption. He was paid "as much as $50,000 per month," per the NYT.
    False: His work for Burisma was being investigated by a Ukrainian prosecutor.

    The investigation didn't involve Hunter, and was not being actively pursued at the time in question.

    Joe Biden’s intervention:

    True: Joe Biden was the Obama administration's point man on Ukraine while his son was working for Burisma, visiting the country several times from 2014 to 2016.
    True: The then-vice president did tell Ukrainian leaders they had to fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin to get $1 billion in U.S. aid, according to a version of the story Biden himself told in 2018.
    False: Biden pushed for Shokin's ouster to protect his son.

    European countries and international bodies had accused Shokin of failing to pursue corruption, including in the Burisma case, and wanted him fired.
    Biden was also not freelancing for personal reasons — he was pursuing the Obama administration's policy.

    The bottom line:

    True: Hunter Biden’s role with Burisma raised conflict-of-interest concerns at the time.
    The State Department claimed in 2014 that there was no conflict, noting the younger Biden was a “private citizen.”
    False: There's evidence Joe Biden committed "corruption" of any sort in Ukraine, as Trump alleges.
    you guys reveal your true nature by pushing this rubbish. because it shows you will push anything that agrees with the garbage you want to believe regardless of how ridiculous. This is one of the dumbest conspiracy theories because its so obviously false. Hunter Biden is NOT that important.
    Is there no limit to what people will believe if it is prefaced by the phrase,
    "Scientists say" ?

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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    you guys reveal your true nature by pushing this rubbish. because it shows you will push anything that agrees with the garbage you want to believe regardless of how ridiculous. This is one of the dumbest conspiracy theories because its so obviously false. Hunter Biden is NOT that important.
    Lol wtf

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    Originally Posted by Qong View Post
    Lol wtf

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    guy, focus on reality.
    Is there no limit to what people will believe if it is prefaced by the phrase,
    "Scientists say" ?

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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    guy, focus on reality.
    What happened to Russia?

    3 months from now?

    I'll be asking you what happened to Ukraine?

    And nothing will have changed.

    And.....deep down you know this.
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    Originally Posted by OptimistPrime11 View Post
    What happened to Russia?

    3 months from now?

    I'll be asking you what happened to Ukraine?

    And nothing will have changed.

    And.....deep down you know this.
    i have no idea what you're on about. I guess making sense is hard when all your thoughts are in terms of talking points
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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    where do you guys get this? are you making it up in your head?

    google. Its easy. Just google and you won't look dumb

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...n-and-ukraine/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...omes-up-short/

    https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/tr...n-and-ukraine/

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...asis-quicktake

    https://www.axios.com/joe-hunter-bid...51759063c.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/29/b...na-hunter.html



    you guys reveal your true nature by pushing this rubbish. because it shows you will push anything that agrees with the garbage you want to believe regardless of how ridiculous. This is one of the dumbest conspiracy theories because its so obviously false. Hunter Biden is NOT that important.
    Those all read as opinion pieces with the same information posted in this forum....
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    Originally Posted by sandaltan View Post
    "Quid pro quo is a norm in foreign policy, we always demand things in exchange for aid"

    yeah, in exchange for things that are good for the people and the country as a whole - like lowering tariffs or disarming a weapons program

    but not in exchange for personal political favors, like what trump did. how do you not understand this?

    is it because youre just really stupid and cant tell the difference?

    or maybe youre just super dishonest and cant really acknowledge what happened?

    the only people who make this argument are shameless die hard trumpers with no interest in what actually happened
    Looking into corruption of previous vice-president who leveraged his office for his own financial gain is a personal political favor? Fascinating.
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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    where do you guys get this? are you making it up in your head?

    google. Its easy. Just google and you won't look dumb

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...n-and-ukraine/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...omes-up-short/

    https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/tr...n-and-ukraine/

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...asis-quicktake

    https://www.axios.com/joe-hunter-bid...51759063c.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/29/b...na-hunter.html



    you guys reveal your true nature by pushing this rubbish. because it shows you will push anything that agrees with the garbage you want to believe regardless of how ridiculous. This is one of the dumbest conspiracy theories because its so obviously false. Hunter Biden is NOT that important.


    Did Trump want to use this possible corruption for political gain? Possibly
    Do we have proof that Trump did this for political reasons? No.

    Did Biden want to use his VP pull for his son? Possibly
    Do we have proof that this was the reason? No.

    But one is true to you and the other is not. Bottom line is that youre a chitty citizen, and you should move. Are you really this tribal? Jesus lol, both Trump and Biden did exactly the same thing with no direct evidence of either. But you want to push one side and label all Republicans as horrible people. You are the classic poster child for the people in this country that will not be a part of the solution and will only serve to divide us. There's no middle ground with people like you.

    inb4 more crying that theres a huge difference between the Trump and Biden situation. Nobody wants to hear it unless you have evidence. You don't.
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    It's cute how liberals a) think someone who may become a party nominee in a year is immune from investigations, b) push that everything against Bidens is absolutely false and not warranted investigation despite creating a whole another standard for Trump for the past 3 years meaning make chit up first then investigate.
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    Originally Posted by BullittEV View Post
    Did Trump want to use this possible corruption for political gain? Possibly
    Do we have proof that Trump did this for political reasons? No.

    Did Biden want to use his VP pull for his son? Possibly
    Do we have proof that this was the reason? No.

    But one is true to you and the other is not. Bottom line is that youre a chitty citizen, and you should move. Are you really this tribal? Jesus lol, both Trump and Biden did exactly the same thing with no direct evidence of either. But you want to push one side and label all Republicans as horrible people. You are the classic poster child for the people in this country that will not be a part of the solution and will only serve to divide us. There's no middle ground with people like you.

    inb4 more crying that theres a huge difference between the Trump and Biden situation. Nobody wants to hear it unless you have evidence. You don't.
    Lol stop. Did Obama, Biden, and the EU all want Hunter to benefit personally?
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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    i have no idea what you're on about. I guess making sense is hard when all your thoughts are in terms of talking points
    The point is if it isn't Russia, or Ukraine, it will be Trump's love for McDonalds to try and peach mint him.

    And every time you move onto something else, the previous issue will be forgotten as if it never happened.

    It is just one big distraction game for you guys. Nothing real.
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    Originally Posted by OptimistPrime11 View Post
    What happened to Russia?

    3 months from now?

    I'll be asking you what happened to Ukraine?

    And nothing will have changed.

    And.....deep down you know this.
    bro, that was almost haiku both spiritually and literally.
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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    i have no idea what you're on about. I guess making sense is hard when all your thoughts are in terms of talking points
    of course you don't.
    because if you did, you'd have to defend yourself against the indefensible.
    much better to pretend you don't know what is going on.
    bravo.
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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    Lol stop. Did Obama, Biden, and the EU all want Hunter to benefit personally?
    they must have since he did it for how long again?
    dude lacked even the qualifications to even run sillie's payday loan business.
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    Originally Posted by LargePeter View Post
    Nothing new has been revealed here

    The DNC is the party of degenerate scumbags, representing degenerate scumbags

    Donald Trump was the worst person in the world when he said he would accept the result of the election if he won - Hillary herself specifically said he was something along the lines of a dangerous lunatic for saying so

    Fast forward 3 years, Diabetic Jerry, Skeletor and Adam Schitt have refused to acknowledge the fact Trump won and have spent three years trying to have him removed from office

    The reason you're seeing "abuse of powers" and "obstruction of Congress" is because it will give them more time to formulate exactly what "abuse of powers" and "obstruction of Congress" means because thus far, nothing he has done has been technically illegal - just offensive to the fragile feelings of the Dumocrat Congress members. If they framed actual. specific charges, there would be a number of Dumbocrat members of Congress, plus Joe Biden himself, that would get fuked over by their own stupid impeachment scam.
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    The take care clause is there for a reason.

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