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    The kind of fighter it will take to wreck Jon Jones in the ring.

    First of all, I do not think there is a chance in h3ll Reyes does it.

    Of all the fighters in the UFC, I will say that Jones has looked the closest to unbeatable in his entire career, the guy is just something else inside the ring no matter what he does outside of it. I have never seen a fighter so dominant and formidable in my years of watching MMA, even Silva and GSP had their weak spots but for Jones, it is tougher to find as he mixes in Silva's striking with a powerful threat of wrestling.

    On the same token though, Jones has benefitted from fighting in a run-down division. At the time he came up, the LHW division was relatively weak compared to Welterweight and Middleweight. The fighters he beat in his rise were guys who were nearing the tail-end of their career. As his career kept going, there were fighters like Gus and as of recent even Thiago Santos who showed that he has a crack (pun not intended) in his armor.

    I have seen Jones do things in the Octagon where I feel that if the right fighter came along, he will capitalize on those mistakes and could make him pay.

    1. The worst thing a fighter can do is stand and stare in awe, you need a fighter that will push the pace even if it means taking punishment.

    I feel like DC did a great job of this in the second fight before he got caught. Most fighters stare in awe at Jones, let their legs get torn apart, and then they are too deflated past round 3 to do anything. In the fight with Thiago Santos, the one thing that was done right were relentless leg kicks. If there were fighters in the LHW division who specialize in pushing the pace instead of standing there and letting Jones pick them apart, it would work to their favor. Someone who did an awful job with this was Smith who stood in his gaze, even in the Vitor fight I noticed that Vitor left JJ back him into a corner.

    Hell if I was the coach, I'd do a camp where if the fighter does not advance after 5 second I put another fighter in there to where it is 2 on 1 and then keep on building on that so my guy knows the danger of just standing there against Jones.

    2. Jon throws a lot of wild combos that leave him vulnerable.

    Jon gets away with wild elbows and kicks because the guy he attacks is too scared to get in close. If there were fighters in his range with good striking, they would not let him get away with it but everytime he does that, it is a good chance for a fighter to sneak in good punches and a nice hit to the body or the face. Instead of going for a knockout, they constantly hit him back and make him pay for every strike and long-winded kick. Something like what Gus did in the first fight.

    The reason Gus did so well is he was light footed and kept on hitting, taking the fight to Jones.





    3. Jon eye-pokes, intentionally, you need someone to make a big deal out of it. Ideally you want a fighter also willing to fight dirty.

    Maybe eye poke right back? Why fight clean against a dirty fighter? Why not immediately grab the ref and make a scene? You need a fighter that is going to be just as dirty and willing to play dirty in the ring with a sociopath. What you need is a fighter that will fight just as dirty, sneak in cheap shots, try to do some illegal things he can get away with in the ring, and all of those to keep Jones honest. The fight will need to be a dirty one with cheap shots in order to beat Jones, I think it is practically a must.

    You need the fighter that will hold on to the arm bar and not let go until the arm has snapped.

    4. Clinch work and avoiding the infamous ground and pound.

    Even if you beat him on the feet, Jones has excellent ground game, probably the best in the UFC. Jon Jones has the best ground and pound in the game because it is so damaging, it leaves you scarred (ie: Brandon Vera). What you need is a fighter who has excellent clinch work and is willing to do some enough to break away. It depends on the style but the one thing that amazed me about the way DC fought was in the clinch against JJ.

    See an example here



    What made the fights wars was that DC was able to neutralize the GNP Jones had and make it a drawn out fight on the feet.

    5. You need a damn good fighter in case you missed the point.

    JJ has the best fight IQ in the UFC to where even the best gameplan means nothing. As he showed in the Lyoto fight, he will adjust on the fly. Having a shady and crooked camp like Jackson Wink which is known to cheat a ton helps a lot too. What will save a fighter is coming from a camp that is also willing to dig into it and propose a gameplan that work but might not be clean. You need to account for the fact that no matter your gameplan, Jones will adjust. What it will take is a fighter who can play with that adjustment and adjust just as well. You need a fighter that will not beat themselves and capitalize on the mistakes Jones is known to make.

    Who could have done it?

    I think if the LHW had the kind of toughness to it that other UFC divisions had, Jones would not be champ for long. The LHW division is arguably the worst in the UFC, bar none, washed out MWs are going there.

    As of now, I can see the following fighters realistically beating Jones in the octagon.

    Miocic
    Ngannou
    Johnny Walker (via luck)
    DC at Heavyweight
    Maybe Romero if he moved up to LHW and didn't lull around at the start of a fight

    Outside of this, Jones is Jones, the best fighter to have ever picked up the gloves. Closest to unbeatable as you can get.
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    jones opted not to use his wrastlin against thiago for whatever reason. i'm sure if they rematched and jones actually wrestled, he'd get him out of there pretty easily.

    disagree that heavyweight DC beats jones. DC not cutting doesn't make up for his flaws (worse striking than jones, ego), since jones will also be bigger. jones would probably fare pretty well at HW since he's more technical than 90% of the guys there. stipe is probably the only person who i'd have to consistently beat jones. ngannou can probably get it done but only by an early knockout - hard to say since he's never gone past the first since his stipe fight (lewis fight doesn't count).

    the only person jones really struggled with was gus, who is tall and long, which reyes is also (kind of). 2nd gus fight sucked because he got kneed in the balls really early in the fight. but considering reyes squeaked by oezdimer (which i thought he lost), he's probably not good enough. i think reyes loses to both smif and santos.

    LHW sucks.
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    i don't think it will take any sort of particular type of fighter to hand jon his first legitimate loss. i think it will be something random like he gets hurt(like blows a knee/breaks a leg mid fight or whatever), makes a really bad mistake and gets caught, or just father time/culmination of punishment. eventually the damage catches up and the head/chin just cant absorb the punishment anymore.

    look at a guy like chuck liddell. sure he had a few losses but he still seemed unbeatable. that 2nd fight with rampage and beyond is when it became pretty clear that his chin was shot. same with wanderlei silva. seemed indestructible but 2 brutal back to back KO losses to cro cop and hendo was the point when his career changed forever. the list goes on
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