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    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ THIS. IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU COULD EVER DO AND IT ONLY TAKES A FEW MINUTES

    ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN? (CLICK 'READ MORE')
    There are some things that you should know:

    1. Realize that you are a sinner and in need of a Savior:

    Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

    Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"

    It all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain, which this world sees, is the result of sin.

    2. Because of our sins, we die both spiritually and physically, but God sent His Son to die so that you can have a chance not to have to go to hell by accepting what He did on the cross:

    Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

    Ro 5:8 "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

    Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store, it is punishable by going to jail. It's the same thing with sin. Lying, stealing, sex before marriage, pride, hatred, ect. are all sins. Hell is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. That’s because you must be perfect in order to get to heaven. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already sinned, which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the President can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die. You won’t have to pay for your own sins because Jesus already did that for you. But if you reject the pardon that He offers, you will have to pay for your own sins by going to hell.

    3. If you will confess Jesus Christ as Your Lord, place your Faith in Him and Believe in your heart that He died, shed His blood and rose again as a sacrifice for your sins, you will be saved (from hell).

    Eph 2:8,9 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.

    Ro 10:9,10 "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.."

    You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus, believing in your heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead for your sins and placing your Faith in Him. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven, but your Faith must be in Christ and His sacrifice alone and nothing else, giving your life to Him.

    Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

    Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"

    4. You must place your Faith in Jesus Christ believing in your heart that He died and rose again shedding His blood to pay for your sins as a sacrifice to God. If you want to accept Jesus free gift of salvation, or if you have any doubts about whether or not you are going to heaven, Pray this prayer from your heart to God in Faith:

    ”Dear Lord Jesus I believe that You are the Lord and believe in my heart that You died on the Cross and Rose from the dead, shedding your blood as a Sacrifice for my sins. I repent and turn to You as the only way of salvation, I give my life to you, placing my Faith and Trust in You as Lord of my life, Please save me and I thank You for it, in Jesus holy name, Amen.”

    If you have placed your faith in Jesus Christ and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven. Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.
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    Originally Posted by IPoopStandingUp View Post
    Bad folks go to a lake of fire and fry
    It's not about good and bad it's about if you have faith in Jesus Christ or not, believing that He died and rose again for your sins.
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    John 15:4
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    ​John 14:20
    "In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.​​​​​​"
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    Originally Posted by Paddington View Post
    It's not about good and bad it's about if you have faith in Jesus Christ or not, believing that He died and rose again for your sins.
    It's about good and bad as well. You can't just believe in Jesus and then willfully live a life of sin and expect an automatic reward. Believing in Jesus and his words, being a good person, and tempering good works with humility (so you don't become holier than thou or self-righteous) are aspects to getting into heaven. And if you are bad or do sin, then asking for forgiveness plays a role in it as well.
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    Originally Posted by BrosefMengele View Post
    Op is a trinitarian polytheist and teaches other Roman catholic heresies.
    FALSE. I am not a Catholic. BroseMengle teaches the heretical Jehovah's Witness false doctrines. He doesn't believe in the deity of Christ or the Trinity. He doesn't believe what the Bible clearly says.
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    Originally Posted by Paddington View Post
    FALSE. I am not a Catholic. BroseMengle teaches the heretical Jehovah's Witness false doctrines. He doesn't believe in the deity of Christ or the Trinity. He doesn't believe what the Bible clearly says.
    "The mystery of the Trinity is the central doctrine of the Catholic Faith. Upon it are based all the other teachings of the church..." Handbook for Today's Catholic, p. 11.

    "Our opponents sometimes claim that no belief should be held dogmatically which is not explicitly stated in scripture. But the Protestant Churches have themselves accepted such dogmas, as the Trinity, for which there is no such precise authority in the Gospels." Graham Greene, [celebrated Catholic Author], Life Magazine, 30 Oct. 1950, p.51

    “the formal doctrine of the Trinity was the result of several inadequate attempts to explain who and what the Christian God really is ... To deal with these problems the Church Fathers met in [A.D.] 325 at the Council of Nicaea to set out an orthodox biblical definition concerning the divine identity.” However, it wasn't until 381, “at the Council of Constantinople, [that] the divinity of the Spirit was affirmed.” The New Bible Dictionary

    “The term trinity is not itself found in the Bible. It was first used by Tertullian at the close of the 2nd century, but received wide currency [common use in intellectual discussion] and formal elucidation [clarification] only in the 4th and 5th centuries.” — (1996, “Trinity”)

    “It is admitted by all who thoughtfully deal with this subject that the Scripture revelation here leads us into the presence of a deep mystery; and that all human attempts at expression are of necessity imperfect.” — (The New Unger's Bible Dictionary, 1988, p. 1308)

    “My conclusion, then, about the doctrine of the Trinity is that it is an artificial construct ... It produces confusion rather than clarification; and while the problems with which it deals are real ones, the solutions it offers are not illuminating. It has posed for many Christians dark and mysterious statements, which are ultimately meaningless, because it does not sufficiently discriminate in its use of terms.” “Much of the defense of the Trinity as a 'revealed' doctrine, is really an evasion of the objections that can be brought against it.” — (Cyril Richardson, The Doctrine of The Trinity,1958)

    “Precisely what that doctrine is, or rather precisely how it is to be explained, Trinitarians are not agreed among themselves.” — (Lyman Abbott, editor, 1885, “Trinitarians”)

    “The Alexandria catechetical school, which revered Clement of Alexandria and Origen, the greatest theologian of the Greek Church, as its heads, applied the allegorical method to the explanation of Scripture. Its thought was influenced by Plato: its strong point was [pagan] theological speculations. Athanasius and the three Cappadocians [the men whose Trinitarian views were adopted by the Catholic Church at the Councils of Nicaea and Constantinople] had been included among its members.” — (Hubert Jedin, Ecumenical Councils of the Catholic Church: an Historical Outline, 1960, p. 28)
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    Originally Posted by Paddington View Post
    He doesn't believe in the deity of Christ or the Trinity. He doesn't believe what the Bible clearly says.
    1 John 5:10
    If we have faith in God's Son, we have believed what God has said. But if we don't believe what God has said about his Son, it is the same as calling God a liar.
    John 15:4
    "Live in me. Make your home in me just as I do in you."
    ​John 14:20
    "In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.​​​​​​"
    John 14:6
    Jesus answered, "No one comes to the Father if not by me."
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    1 John 5:10
    If we have faith in God's Son, we have believed what God has said. But if we don't believe what God has said about his Son, it is the same as calling God a liar.
    1Jo 5:10 ¶ He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

    So what did the Son say?

    Jesus said that He is the great I AM in the Old Testament:

    Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

    Who is the Great I Am in the Old Testament:

    God

    Ex 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

    Therefore, Jesus Christ IS God in the flesh.
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    Jesus Christ IS God
     
    There are some religions out there that believe and teach that Jesus Christ is not God. Some teach that He is a god, but not thee God. I am going to demonstrate through the word of God that He is God and created all things.

    Jesus’s name “Immanuel” LITERALLY means “God with us”

    Mt 1:23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."

    Isa 7:14 "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.

    He always existed (from everlasting):
     
    Mic 5:2 (NKJV) "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, [Though] you are little among the thousands of Judah, [Yet] out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth [are] from of old, From everlasting."
     
    This prophecy is of Christ's first comming. His Goings forth have been from everlasting because Christ Jesus is God.

    Jesus Christ is one with the Father. He is God.
     
    Joh 14:8 Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

    God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are one God:
     
    1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

    Jesus declares Himself to be the great I AM of the Old Testiment. I AM is God's Name
     
    Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."
     
    I am IS God. There is only one God. That God has three parts.
     
    Ex 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
     
    His Disciple/Apostle Peter Admits that Jesus knows “All things” (Only God knows all things)
     
    Joh 21:17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You." Jesus said to him, "Feed My sheep.

    Jesus Knows Our Thoughts

    Mt 9:4 But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, "Why do you think evil in your hearts?

    Lu 11:17 But He, knowing their thoughts, said to them: "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and a house divided against a house falls.

    In Him Dwells all of the fullness of the Godhead Bodily:

    Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. {rudiments: or, elements} {make a prey: or, seduce you, or, lead you astray} For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    Col 1:12 ¶ Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
    13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: {his...: Gr. the Son of his love}
    14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
    15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
    16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
    17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
    18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. {in...: or, among all} 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;


     God's plurality is found in Genesis
     
    Ge 1:26 ¶ Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
     
    His Disciple/Apostle Thomas Confessed Him to be God and Jesus did NOT rebuke Him for it:
     
    Joh 20:27 Then He said to Thomas, "Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing."And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
     
    This verse demonstrates how God has multiple aspects. He said Let “US” make man in “OUR” image. He didn’t say, let me make man in My image, He said let US make man is OUR image.
     
    His Apostle/Disciple John declares Christ Jesus to be God:
     
    Joh 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
     
    His Apostle/Disciple John declares that the world was made by Him (Jesus Christ)
     
    Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
     
    All things were made by Him and He was in the beginning with God (Father)
     
    Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
     
    There are MANY places where He is worshipped and Jesus NEVER tells them not to worship Him, NOT once. Only God is to be worshipped, because Jesus IS God, Jesus IS worshipped:
     
    Mt 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh. {presented: or, offered}
    Mt 8:2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
    Mt 9:18 ¶ While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.
    Mt 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
    Mt 15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
    Mt 18:26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. {worshipped him: or, besought him}
     Mt 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
    Mt 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
    Mr 5:6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
    Mr 15:19 And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him.
    Lu 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
    Joh 9:38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
    Ac 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
    Re 5:14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

    Scripture refers to Him as the Lord, Jesus Christ. The phrase "The Lord" is unique only to God:

    Here are a few mentioning "The Lord Your God"

    De 5:6 ¶ I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. {bondage: Heb. servants}

    De 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

    De 5:11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

    De 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.


    Here are many calling Him Jesus Christ, The Lord.

    Ac 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

    Ac 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

    Ac 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

    Ac 28:31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

    Ro 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Ro 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

    Ro 15:30 ¶ Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;

    1Co 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

    1Co 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

    2Co 1:2 Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

    2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. <<The second [epistle to the Corinthians was written from Philippi, a city of Macedonia, by Titus and Lucas.]>>

    Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Eph 6:23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Php 1:2 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: {conversation...: or, we live or conduct ourselves as citizens of heaven, or, for obtaining heaven}

    Col 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    1Th 1:1 ¶ Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    The Trinity (Three in one)

    Mt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

    Father, Son and Spirit Present at Christ’s Baptism:

    Mt 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

    Conclusion: Jesus Christ is God. Not a God but the God of the bible. God has three parts. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. All are equal, yet the Son is submissive to the Father and the Holy Spirit is submissive to the Son. Jesus Christ was an EXAMPLE for us. He died on the cross for our sins so that we could go to heaven and be forgiven of our sins. He shed His blood for us.
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    Jesus Christ IS God in the flesh.
    10 I was cast on You from the womb, from My mother's belly, You are My God (Psalm 22)

    David is speaking as Jesus here; he does not say: I am my God. He says: You are my God.
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    10 I was cast on You from the womb, from My mother's belly, You are My God (Psalm 22)

    David is speaking as Jesus here; he does not say: I am my God. He says: You are my God.
    "I and the Father are one.” - John 10:30 (Said Jesus)

    To which his onlookers reply:

    “You, a mere man, claim to be God” - John 10:33
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    Originally Posted by thunderykoala View Post
    "I and the Father are one.” - John 10:30 (Said Jesus)

    To which his onlookers reply:

    “You, a mere man, claim to be God” - John 10:33
    I and the father are one

    Am I saying that I am God???
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    I and the father are one

    Am I saying that I am God???
    Do you have biblical evidence to support that thought?
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    Originally Posted by thunderykoala View Post
    Do you have biblical evidence to support that thought?
    Ephesians 3:19, NIV: "and to know this love that surpasses knowledge--that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God."

    John 14:20
    At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

    “There is one body, and one Spirit [Holy Spirit], even as you are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord [Jesus Christ], one faith, one baptism,

    One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” Ephesians 4:4-6

    John 17:21 English Standard Version (ESV)
    21 that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

    The main point: Jesus was saying that the Father is in Him (and us) through the Spirit of God, and that if someone sees you, they have seen God (not Himself), but his glory. The church in Christ is one with God. Jesus is not God Himself, each of us are Sons of God in Him [Jesus].
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    "Live in me. Make your home in me just as I do in you."
    ​John 14:20
    "In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.​​​​​​"
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    23 He said to them: You will indeed drink my cup, but this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father (Matthew 20).

    God and Jesus have separate possessions.
    John 15:4
    "Live in me. Make your home in me just as I do in you."
    ​John 14:20
    "In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.​​​​​​"
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    Originally Posted by BrosefMengele View Post
    Ephesians 3:19, NIV: "and to know this love that surpasses knowledge--that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God."

    John 14:20
    At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

    “There is one body, and one Spirit [Holy Spirit], even as you are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord [Jesus Christ], one faith, one baptism,

    One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” Ephesians 4:4-6

    John 17:21 English Standard Version (ESV)
    21 that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

    The main point: Jesus was saying that the Father is in Him (and us) through the Spirit of God, and that if someone sees you, they have seen God (not Himself), but his glory. The church in Christ is one with God. Jesus is not God Himself, each of us are Sons of God in Him [Jesus].
    "Then Jesus said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and look at My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Stop doubting and believe.” 28Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!” 29Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” - John 20:28
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    Originally Posted by thunderykoala View Post
    "Then Jesus said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and look at My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Stop doubting and believe.” 28Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!” 29Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” - John 20:28
    Thomas was not even converted at that time and also doubted Jesus. But anyway, you won't accept my words or scripture, you will keep posting more and asking for more convincing. Just wake up, the Jews didn't worship the trinity. Neither did Jesus and he never taught otherwise. He never told the Jews they had been worshipping God incorrectly for thousands of years, and that God is in fact a trinity not Yahoweh, alone. (Deut 6:4) quoted by Jesus.

    You worship a "new god" that our fathers never feared. It's a pagan god....

    Deny Jesus' own words

    “And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.” John 17:3
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    Originally Posted by BrosefMengele View Post
    Thomas was not even converted at that time and also doubted Jesus. But anyway, you won't accept my words or scripture, you will keep posting more and asking for more convincing. Just wake up, the Jews didn't worship the trinity. Neither did Jesus and he never taught otherwise. He never told the Jews they had been worshipping God incorrectly for thousands of years, and that God is in fact a trinity not Yahoweh, alone. (Deut 6:4) quoted by Jesus.

    You worship a "new god" that our fathers never feared. It's a pagan god....

    Deny Jesus' own words

    “And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.” John 17:3
    I'm posting scripture that contradicts your words. I'm not asking you to convince me, I'm posting to convince you because the scripture I am posting refutes your words. Of which there are plenty. A disciple of Jesus, after putting his fingers in his holes, was astonished and recognized Jesus for who he truly was. Jesus replied to him confirming his disciple's newfound belief:

    "Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

    That's not something that you can refute with conjecture. That's literal scripture. Jesus is saying "Because you have seen and felt, you now believe that I am God." You are the only one playing mental gymnastics in an attempt to deny Jesus' own words.
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    any way? You will never end in your denials of the true God. Jesus didn't come to earth to be worshipped as God he came to declare the name of the true God whom you deny.

    The biggest hypocrites on earth are so called Christians who worship the Catholic trinity god in place of the actual God of the Bible, Jesus, and Israel YAHOWEH.

    Final scripture:

    John 20:17 17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

    Ephesians 1:17 ...'That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him.'
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    any way? You will never end in your denials of the true God. Jesus didn't come to earth to be worshipped as God he came to declare the name of the true God whom you deny.

    The biggest hypocrites on earth are so called Christians who worship the Catholic trinity god in place of the actual God of the Bible, Jesus, and Israel YAHOWEH.

    Final scripture:

    John 20:17 17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

    Ephesians 1:17 ...'That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him.'
    “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” - Acts 20:28

    Which view of Jesus qualifies that passage? Is it the one where God incarnated in the flesh as Jesus and died on the cross, or the one that says Jesus isn't God? And if Jesus isn't God, then which incarnation of God that spilled blood is it referring to? God incarnated as the famous man named Oscar that literally no one worships as God?
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    You literally are trying to prove that a pagan god is the true God using scripture and that for millenia the Jews incorrectly worshipped God and that monotheism isn't actually true but polytheism...

    Like it's the same as if you worship Allah instead of Yahoweh, no different. But at least Allah is an actual one God.

    It's not worth a serious response especially over and over
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    You literally are trying to prove that a pagan god is the true God using scripture and that for millenia the Jews incorrectly worshipped God and that monotheism isn't actually true but polytheism...

    Like it's the same as if you worship Allah instead of Yahoweh, no different. But at least Allah is an actual one God.

    It's not worth a serious response especially over and over
    I'm asking you to address the content I'm posting or at least admit that scripture explicitly states in some way or alludes to the idea that Jesus is in fact God. Or at least allows for the possibility of it. As it stands, you're merely dismissing scripture, are deflecting, and are resorting to personal attacks about my faith and belief. And if you actually bothered to contemplate your comparison to my views and Islam, you'd find that your view that doesn't place divinity in Christ is more like Islam, because Islam has a Jesus who isn't God. And the bible also alludes to someone who is to come that is referred to as the "Prophet" (which can be ascribed to Mohammad, and has been by some people).

    So congratulations, you're substantiating Islam as the one true faith. And you have the gull to criticize and condemn my views as being hypocritical to Christianity.
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    No I'm saying trinity worship is no different than Allah worship. It is idolatry.

    The Jews worshipped Yahoweh, alone, as one God.

    The trinity not only is a false god (a picture), the so called god is not even one single being, but three different beings (polytheism). So it's even worse than Islam, which was created by Rome to begin with but that is a whole other thing.
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    18 Jesus said to him: Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God (Mark 10).

    >God is good and Jesus is not

    Thus they are different people with different levels of righteousness and different personalities.
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    36 Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father (Matthew 24).

    God knows things that Jesus does not know.

    They are not the same being.

    notice the "holy spirit" is not mentioned
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    Originally Posted by IPoopStandingUp View Post
    Bad folks go to a lake of fire and fry
    Actually no , hell is a metaphor

    From what I understand you’re just basically a guilty conscience that never ends
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    Originally Posted by BrosefMengele View Post
    No I'm saying trinity worship is no different than Allah worship. It is idolatry.

    The Jews worshipped Yahoweh, alone, as one God.

    The trinity not only is a false god (a picture), the so called god is not even one single being, but three different beings (polytheism). So it's even worse than Islam, which was created by Rome to begin with but that is a whole other thing.
    Allah simply means God (you know, this one true God stuff you've been spouting). Islam came after Jesus. And I'm saying that since you don't believe in the divinity of Jesus, you don't have any real claim to suggest that Islam isn't the rightful religion. Ergo, you're substantiating Islam as being a candidate for the rightful religion. And in the bible it's mentioned that Jews were waiting for a prophet, which people have construed to mean Mohammad. The view that Jesus is God is one that separates the Jesus from Islam with the Jesus from Christianity, since both religions have Jesuses, but Islam denies the divinity of Jesus, as do you. My view does not.

    Also, if Jesus isn't God, then why does scripture state and allude to him being God (like the ones I provided)? And the Holy Spirit is mentioned in the bible plenty of times.
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    Originally Posted by BrosefMengele View Post
    36 Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father (Matthew 24).

    God knows things that Jesus does not know.

    They are not the same being.

    notice the "holy spirit" is not mentioned
    The Trinity is the more reasonable perspective because scripture states that Jesus is God and that the Father is God. And the Trinity states that both are God but are not the same. The Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Father, yet both are God, which the bible states or alludes to. So it basically applies what you're saying (that the Son is not the Father) and what I'm saying (That the Father and the Son are both God) into a succinct, logical template rather than just outright denying and rejecting scripture like you are.
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