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    ROGUE Belt Squat released today

    www roguefitness.com/monster-rhino-belt-squat-stand-alone-mg-black

    Not bad, good price and fixes some of the issues with the Westside variants ie: difficult for a single user to operate etc.

    Thoughts?

    How long before the IPF combo to releases.
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    looks nice but expensive. the edge belt squat is still the best deal- I really don't see a problem with a well designed leverage version.


    is an ipf combo rack confirmed? any photos? only reason I wouldn't get excited about that is rogue benches usually suck and feel like slippery concrete so they would have to make some major changes there.

    the elite combo rack looks like the best design/price currently
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    Originally Posted by gymisit View Post
    www roguefitness.com/monster-rhino-belt-squat-stand-alone-mg-black

    Not bad, good price and fixes some of the issues with the Westside variants ie: difficult for a single user to operate etc.

    Thoughts?

    How long before the IPF combo to releases.
    $1700? Seriously, buy a damn spud belt squat belt and a couple plyo boxes. $150.
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    i wonder if they'll do any added black friday deal on top of the 5 for 5....if this will be a matte black deal for $1550 or so.

    I'm interested in the stand alone. I've been looking at the edge version but after picking up a lot of pendlay equipment i'm reluctant to make big purchases away from rogue/elitefts due to feeling confident they're going to be around for the long haul...especially rogue.
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    Originally Posted by Paulie_G View Post
    $1700? Seriously, buy a damn spud belt squat belt and a couple plyo boxes. $150.
    I'm sure Patent Attorneys can be expensive..... plus it might help them slow down the chinese imports. That being said, I'm not sure what's so patent friendly about it..... PitShark has been around for a while and it doesn't look much different to me. I think it's a cool looking machine, but not for me.

    Another cheap alternative is using a landmine and a dip belt.
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    Originally Posted by rpark View Post
    I'm sure Patent Attorneys can be expensive..... plus it might help them slow down the chinese imports. That being said, I'm not sure what's so patent friendly about it..... PitShark has been around for a while and it doesn't look much different to me. I think it's a cool looking machine, but not for me.

    Another cheap alternative is using a landmine and a dip belt.
    Rogue and Patent Attorney is so ironic to me considering that Rogue was the original cloning company!
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    I was hoping for a leverage squat arm/set up that pivoted off the weight uprights and you could just fold up out of the way when done.

    The platform on this new rack version of the belt squat intrudes on the inside of the rack too much.
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    I'm already sold on the Squatmax as soon as I can get more space but I don't see why everyone is objecting to the Rogue price so much. The Wenning Belt Squat is $3K (including shipping) and the Pitshart is even more so $1700 doesn't seem out of line.

    Yes, you can totally use a dip belt, boxes, landmine etc but if you want a dedicated machine $1700 isn't crazy and presumably you can either wait until Black Friday to get free shipping or bundle with some other stuff to get the $5K free shipping which makes probably makes it price competitive (once you include shipping) even with units down in the $1500 range.

    But, I'm admittedly a Rogue fanboy and would like to see them add more to the line-up so my future gym doesn't have to mix and match quite so much stuff. And merge with Watson while they are at it.
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    Looks decent. I'm considering nuking my GHD (we'll call it my situp bench because that's all I use it for) for one of these. Rogue pricing seems fine, figure it will be a premium over Edge just because everything they make is a premium over Edge anyway. For me it's going to come down to price, square footage (Squatmax seems nice for this), and then aesthetics (much more minor).

    Other option is that I already have a loading pin and rack handles so I'd only need the belt and rack platforms from Black Widow if he'll still make them.
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    Originally Posted by C123C View Post
    Looks decent. I'm considering nuking my GHD (we'll call it my situp bench because that's all I use it for) for one of these. Rogue pricing seems fine, figure it will be a premium over Edge just because everything they make is a premium over Edge anyway. For me it's going to come down to price, square footage (Squatmax seems nice for this), and then aesthetics (much more minor).

    Other option is that I already have a loading pin and rack handles so I'd only need the belt and rack platforms from Black Widow if he'll still make them.
    The cable design is much nicer than the leverage, I think.
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    Originally Posted by MGM711 View Post
    Rogue and Patent Attorney is so ironic to me considering that Rogue was the original cloning company!
    Yes it is odd, I wonder if there's a behind the scenes designer for that unit??? I don't think they've patented any other designs that I'm aware of.
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    Originally Posted by Paulie_G View Post
    $1700? Seriously, buy a damn spud belt squat belt and a couple plyo boxes. $150.
    For those of us already used to having a big bar swinging between their legs.

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    The cable design is much nicer than the leverage, I think.
    Cable feels SLIGHTLY nicer, but honestly not by enough to really make a difference IMO. I think most people (including myself) would be happy with the cost savings of buying Edge, same functionality though. Where cable driven really excels is with the weight ratio (not needing as many plates) and walking movements. I like Rogue's price on the standalone, but for quite a bit less you could get Edge's Deluxe version, which looks like a freaking beast.
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    I've only ever used a lever wenning style belt squat and they seem to work decently. I'd like to try a cable set up at some point but not enough to shell out 1700 for it.

    The belt that comes with it looks like a good idea though, with the adjustability you wont need multiple belts for bigger and smaller individuals.

    I dont get why they are saying they need to be bolted to the ground though, they all weigh heaps so I cant see them moving much when you are standing on them.
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    For those of us already used to having a big bar swinging between their legs.

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    I think the price is really good. It's $350 cheaper than the cheapest Westside version and it's more user friendly.

    Still unsure about being able to go deep enough though.
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    My initial response...
    Pros:
    1. Good price
    2. Small
    3. Includes a belt. I agree that the 3 pairs of rings really make that belt the most functional option. I bet you can talk Spud into a custom order in yellow.

    Cons:
    1. Platform is metal (mats are infinitely better for traction.)
    2. Bang peg location is not well thought out. I'd prefer side pegs where the end is turned down for easier band removal.
    3. Why such an elaborate racking design? The 3x3 tubing adds a lot of cost. Only one side is necessary. You already have uprights to hold onto.
    4. Platform might be too small for conditioning exercises. 26" deep x 48.5" wide.
    5. Must be bolted to the floor (according the Rogue). Are you kidding me? DEAL BREAKER (this is assuming it must be bolted...)
    6. Could have spent a little more to allow for this to double as a lat pull down and low row. If you're taking up floor space, let's be efficient for home gyms.This is minor, but would really appeal to most people. I could overlook a lot of flaws for that option!

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    Originally Posted by Synthetickiller View Post
    My initial response...
    Pros:
    1. Good price
    2. Small
    3. Includes a belt. I agree that the 3 pairs of rings really make that belt the most functional option. I bet you can talk Spud into a custom order in yellow.

    Cons:
    1. Platform is metal (mats are infinitely better for traction.)
    2. Bang peg location is not well thought out. I'd prefer side pegs where the end is turned down for easier band removal.
    3. Why such an elaborate racking design? The 3x3 tubing adds a lot of cost. Only one side is necessary. You already have uprights to hold onto.
    4. Platform might be too small for conditioning exercises. 26" deep x 48.5" wide.
    5. Must be bolted to the floor (according the Rogue). Are you kidding me? DEAL BREAKER (this is assuming it must be bolted...)
    6. Could have spent a little more to allow for this to double as a lat pull down and low row. If you're taking up floor space, let's be efficient for home gyms.This is minor, but would really appeal to most people. I could overlook a lot of flaws for that option!

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    Even if I thought it was worth it to spend $1700 on a machine that can be replaced by a belt, loading pin and 2 wood boxes, having to bolt the damn thing is really stupid. It rules out a fair majority of us garage gym guys who will never drill holes in our garage concrete. I mean, at $1700 you can't make the damn thing stable enough to stand on it's own? WTF.
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    Originally Posted by Synthetickiller View Post
    3. Includes a belt. I agree that the 3 pairs of rings really make that belt the most functional option. I bet you can talk Spud into a custom order in yellow.
    I wish Spud kept everything yellow....I hate that my belt is black.

    Wait - is this the first time Rogue blacked out the hardware?
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    Originally Posted by Paulie_G View Post
    Even if I thought it was worth it to spend $1700 on a machine that can be replaced by a belt, loading pin and 2 wood boxes, having to bolt the damn thing is really stupid. It rules out a fair majority of us garage gym guys who will never drill holes in my garage concrete. I mean, at $1700 you can't make the damn thing stable enough to stand on it's own? WTF.
    They tell you bolt the majority of their racks down too though.
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    Originally Posted by Cleveland33 View Post
    They tell you bolt the majority of their racks down too though.
    Yep. My Rogue RM-3 "must" be bolted, but it's a tank. I have weights on the pegs, so haven't bothered bolting it down, but even before I put weights on it, it wouldn't budge.
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    After looking closer at it, I can understand why it would need bolted down....... for those guys able to load that thing up with plates, the center of gravity when the plates go up is really far to the wrong side. I imagine it's not a problem for 90% of people, but the studs like CMartin, SmokinHawk, Synthetic and (insert your name) probably should bolt the thing down. I rarely squat with anymore than 315 so I think my body weight would offset the plate column. I'm sure they could add some feet going the other direction, but it'd just make the footprint even bigger.
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    Originally Posted by Cleveland33 View Post
    They tell you bolt the majority of their racks down too though.
    Here in the UK at least, there is an increasing trend for equipment manufacturers to recommend bolting down there equipment, I can only think there insurer's are insisting on this, perhaps in an effort to mitigate future claims.
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    I asked on the rogue instagram if you "must' bolt it to the ground and they said yes....this may be a safety position of theres...who knows, I'll wait for a few reviews. I'm not big on the bolting things into the ground, I like the flexibility of moving things around.
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    Originally Posted by Synthetickiller View Post
    My initial response...
    Pros:
    1. Good price
    2. Small
    3. Includes a belt. I agree that the 3 pairs of rings really make that belt the most functional option. I bet you can talk Spud into a custom order in yellow.

    Cons:
    1. Platform is metal (mats are infinitely better for traction.) AGREE
    2. Bang peg location is not well thought out. I'd prefer side pegs where the end is turned down for easier band removal.
    3. Why such an elaborate racking design? The 3x3 tubing adds a lot of cost. Only one side is necessary. You already have uprights to hold onto. Because the Westside version have no safety and it's extremely difficult to unrack/rack (pull the pin) the Westside variants by yourself.

    4. Platform might be too small for conditioning exercises. 26" deep x 48.5" wide.
    AGREE
    5. Must be bolted to the floor (according the Rogue). Are you kidding me? DEAL BREAKER (this is assuming it must be bolted...)
    6. Could have spent a little more to allow for this to double as a lat pull down and low row. If you're taking up floor space, let's be efficient for home gyms. This is minor, but would really appeal to most people. I could overlook a lot of flaws for that option!

    Unknowns:
    1. Can you deadlift without using blocks? (probably not, but worth asking) Can you squat ATG without blocks, is my Question. The REFELX design is much better in this regard
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    Originally Posted by CharlottePT View Post
    I asked on the rogue instagram if you "must' bolt it to the ground and they said yes....this may be a safety position of theres...who knows, I'll wait for a few reviews. I'm not big on the bolting things into the ground, I like the flexibility of moving things around.
    I didn’t see anything about bolting this to the ground, where did you read that?
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    I'm definitely interested in the "drop in version" of this, but it looks like the unit adds roughly 4.5 to 5 feet to the back of your rack. I currently have a 6 post rack, but a rouge 6 post rack (say RM 6) has an 80" depth footprint, plus this additional 4.5 feet. I'm wondering if this would fit off the back of say an RM 4 rack, and then I could maybe use the uprights of the belt squat unit for weight storage? I can't really tell from the pictures.
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    Originally Posted by kis55 View Post
    I'm definitely interested in the "drop in version" of this, but it looks like the unit adds roughly 4.5 to 5 feet to the back of your rack. I currently have a 6 post rack, but a rouge 6 post rack (say RM 6) has an 80" depth footprint, plus this additional 4.5 feet. I'm wondering if this would fit off the back of say an RM 4 rack, and then I could maybe use the uprights of the belt squat unit for weight storage? I can't really tell from the pictures.
    I’m pretty sure the Rogue website specified it adds 21.5” to the back of the rack, so not too much space...
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    Originally Posted by Synthetickiller View Post
    My initial response...
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    3. Why such an elaborate racking design? The 3x3 tubing adds a lot of cost. Only one side is necessary. You already have uprights to hold onto.
    Well, clearly you have overlooked the keyhole design that Rogue included on the 3x3 tubing. Surely, there will offer a plethora of value added attachements leveraging the keyholes in the next few weeks. :-)
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    Originally Posted by Bmad16 View Post
    I’m pretty sure the Rogue website specified it adds 21.5” to the back of the rack, so not too much space...
    Thanks for catching that and pointing it out. I totally missed that. Appreciate it!
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