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    Arrow Enough of these self help books: do this insead...(Super wall of text.)

    Cliffs below!!! If time permits, however, please read my wall of text. Hopefully, I can convince you and we can have a meaningful, enjoyable, discussion.





    OK, I realize that some people have dramatically improved their lives with self-help books. There is definitely good advice regarding many things, such as: how to not be autistic, how to talk to people, how to hold a conversation, how to work hard, how to feel good about reading about doing something. But these things, as you probably know, are really, really superficial characteristics of any normally functioning man. A man would already have these things. These books try to, ultimately, train a person to have the characteristics of a well-formed man.

    Lets be honest, if anyone here falls prey to the ideas of: mgtow, red pill, incest, gay skull/hairline/all about face/frame/etc, NO AMOUNT OF SELF HELP BOOKS WILL HELP. They might form good habits, but the underlying nature of the person would be misinformed, consequently self-sabotaging your improvement.

    One book, that is in the public domain and IS one of the best books you can read in an hour, is As a Man Thinketh by James Allen. In that book, he makes the point that (I am paraphrasing here, if this is not completely accurate, please pardon me.) a man's character, or virtue, is the sum composite of all their thoughts. The fundamental nature of a man is the sum of all his thoughts. If a man have thoughts of negativity, anger, jealousy, and depression, he will be a man that emulates those qualities, whether he realizes it or not. Those thoughts will alter the way that this person acts with his friends, his neighbors, his family, and his relationships for the worse. On the other hand, if he emulates thoughts of a virtuous nature, then that person will become virtuous, and ultimately live a fulfilling life, will influence others for the better, and will be happy.

    Therefore, it is vital that, if you wish to live a fulfilling life, you become a man of virtuous thought. My argument is that, if one wishes to change their life for the better, you must reeducate yourself from the brainwashing of modern day society. This can only be done by filling your mind with things that change your way of thinking. Enter a "classical education".

    I think that a classical education can greatly help with the issues facing many of the men on this form. This form of education is NOT directed at how to act (vocational training.), it is a way to train you how to think, to reason, to understand and formulate a sensitivity to rational thought (AKA: Formation, or foundation, of a man's training.).

    What IS a classical education? It is a very historical and complicated answer, but it is a formation that is centered around the subjects that everyone thinks is boring until they understand their value: grammar, rhetoric (Great for the fas.), and logic (Sorely needed by everyone today.), which eventually leads to study of literature, philosophy, art, music, history, astronomy, physics/chemistry/biology, philosophic mathematics, and politics (Not current, but the science and ideas behind it.). I am more than willing to argue the value of each of these subjects, as they are all worthy pursuits in of themselves.

    Almost all great men sense the time of 600bc has had a classical education. Everyone up until around the turn of the 20th century. It is quite noticeable too; the literature, ideas, and logic from hundreds and thousands of years ago is, more times than not, far more intellectually stimulating than ANYTHING modern day society offers. It is actually quite sad when society now views the Kardashians and Kanye West as entertainment, when Shakespeare and Bach were the entertainment of society in the 16th and 17th century. Nowadays, people have the attention span of a goldfish. I bet maybe 20 people will read this text in its entirety, even though it took me over an hour to write. If you have gotten this far, congratulations, you are better off than 80% of the population. Post the word "goldfish" and I will rep you.

    I got a little off track with the last paragraph. It was simply to show the heights of achievement a well formulated man can reach, as opposed to the masses. The specific benefits, however, are worth listing:

    1. You will understand the fundamental forces of the human condition, in a way and depth that very few people will every grasp or understand.

    2. You will always be occupied, you will never have any time to waste, you will learn to love learning so much you will not want to stop, and you will curse the time you have wasted so far.

    3. For you fas, you will never have a lack of topics to discuss with anyone, ever, ever again, period. You will gain confidence, understanding, and wisdom as a result of learning. You mind will be enforced with the great stories of manliness and courage throughout the ages, the great romances, tragedies, and thoughts of human history.

    4. You will become a MUCH more interesting person, will attract high quality and like minded individuals, and will quickly climb the social ladder to fame and fortune (Maybe.).

    Overall, however, it is not about what you can get, it is about what you can give to society. Society needs men and women who are willing to try and change this culture. This culture is terrifying, in the sense that we have lost all respect for virtue and replaced it with a love of vices. This will cause great suffering and evil to continue, which will be felt when we are old, and by our children's children; they will live through great suffering for the sins of our fathers. We will never be able to change the world, but we can change many people.


    Two notes here: First, I hope that you read this, and take it to heart, and really try to progress the discussion. If there is a reasonable amount of interest, I will start a thread and create a blueprint for those that want to really desire change in their lives. Second, if I changed, or created interest for one person, then I consider my night a success.



    Cliffs: self help books are ultimately missing the mark by trying to create easy "fixes" or shortcuts to increased personal development. Training the actions doesn't change the ultimate nature of a person; the nature can only be changed through a change in the way that they think. My argument is that a classical education can do such a thing, I list the benefits, and will make a blueprint on how to achieve a classical education if there is enough interest.
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    Worth the read.

    In fact, if you read it, and understand the message, you will realize how pathetic you are that you can't focus for two minutes to read.
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    Originally Posted by Suqat View Post
    Spot saved for any other things I might add later on.
    I am reading, you can just post what you will for future reference, and I will edit my comment.


    I'll delete it for you, but only after you read this awesome message lol
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    Didn't read even cliffs just came in to call you a phaggot. Maybe even neg for good measure.
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    too long to read man
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    Originally Posted by District View Post
    I am reading, you can just post what you will for future reference, and I will edit my comment.


    I'll delete it for you, but only after you read this awesome message lol
    nah its cool I actually like your post now lol. Gives some validity to the time I spent writing.
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    Originally Posted by Suqat View Post
    nah its cool I actually like your post now lol. Gives some validity to the time I spent writing.
    You should add a list of suggested reading.

    Not the self help stuff you read lol.
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    Originally Posted by PisseninMisc View Post
    Didn't read even cliffs just came in to call you a phaggot. Maybe even neg for good measure.
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    too long to read man
    Come on guys at least read the cliffs. Come on. I spent almost 2 hours writing this, it takes 5 minutes to read.
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    Originally Posted by District View Post
    You should add a list of suggested reading.
    I am going to, for sure. I am going to wait until this thread is a little larger. I will update with the list tomorrow.

    Also, PM me and I will make sure to send the list to you directly, that way, in case this thread somehow gets deleted, I won't forget your name.

    Edit: Saw pm, responded.
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    Okay I will read it tomorrow op. Thanks for taking the time to write it.
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    ok cool brah so what else do i add to my reading list aside from As a Man Thinketh

    also, audio book of it

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    Originally Posted by MinisterOfLust View Post
    Okay I will read it tomorrow op. Thanks for taking the time to write it.
    Thank you. I hope it helps!

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    ok cool brah so what else do i add to my reading list aside from As a Man Thinketh

    also, audio book of it

    I will give everyone a list tomorrow, might make a crew/thread if enough interest is shown; give a book a week that everyone can read/listen to, so that we can all discuss it together. Frankly, I read most of the books in my list years ago (6th grade-10th grade), so I will need a refresher too.

    Edit: I will still write up a list tomorrow so that everyone can read at their own pace, I think it would be fun to create a group where everyone could work on self improvement.
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    I will be bumping this thread for the next week. I want this thread to have lots of exposure. Mods/admins, is there anyway I could request a sticky if there is enough interest generated in the next week or so?
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    Should I read?
    Yes I said it in bold words!!! It might very well plant the seed that changes your life for the better. At least, I hope so.
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    Yes I said it in bold words!!! It might very well plant the seed that changes your life for the better. At least, I hope so.
    You are biased. Besides I have the attention span of a goldfish.
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    Originally Posted by ChewYourFood View Post
    You are biased. Besides I have the attention span of a goldfish.
    OK repped but what do you think I am biased towards? I do not understand how my argument can be dismissed.
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    OP you are correct indeed.

    Here is my small tiny contribution of books that might not get listed.

    The Art of Worldly Wisdom - Baltasar Gracian
    Memiors Of Casanova - Giacomo Casanova
    The Spartacus War - Barry Strauss
    Genghis Khan - Jack Weatherford
    Anabasis - Xenophon
    Yellow Kid Weil - Joseph Weil
    The Life of Cesare Borgia - Rafael Sabatini
    The 80/20 Principle - Richard Koch
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    I think that, in the next few weeks, I will spend some time writing on this subject; create one mega thread where it will read like a book, but will be an introduction to all that is related to the specific topics of study that I chose, as well as a more detailed blueprint for studying these subjects that can be carried into your free time.
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    I just read it and it is great stuff op. I am glad there are a few miscers like the op who is willing to help others.
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    This thread is a nice change of pace from the usual misc stuff keep up the good work op
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    Great Job OP.

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    I'm preaching to the choir here but reading fiction has a myriad of benefits. The OP alluded to it by saying you will have a deeper understanding of The Human Condition. Many studies have stated that the "Theory of Mind" increases when you read fiction.

    Essentially you are able to put yourself in someone else's shoe and be able to empathize and connect with them more. In fiction you are typically reading the inner thoughts and behaviors of a main protagonist so I could see why.
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    So are you recommending books for studying those topics? I use khan academy/youtube for physics and chemistry but what do you mean with like studying logic?
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    TL: DR Op thinks that instead of reading self help books you should learn philosophy and grammer along with other subjects that make you a well rounded individual


    While I agree with what you are saying Op not all self help books are "quick fix" books. Being somebody that likes self help books I admit that there are alot of self help books that are complete garbage but you shouldn't neglect the self help books that are actually quality

    Self Help books/psychology books i'd recommend
    - The power of habit Charles Duhigg
    - Better fast stronger - Charles Duhigg
    - Thinking Fast and Slow - Daniel Kahnmen
    - 7 Habits of highly effective people - Stefhan R. Covey
    - mastery - Robert Greene
    - Seduction - Robert Greene
    - 48 Laws of power - Robert Greene
    - Outliers - Malcom Gladwell
    - Tipping Point - Malcom Gladwell
    - The Richest man in Babylon - George S clason.
    - The power of now -Eckhart Tolle


    Might be a few I missed but this would be my list


    As for other genres of books I don't have exact books since I have really delved into self help first.

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    Plato - allegory of the cave of the cave
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