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    Belt or No belt

    Hey guys,
    so wanted to know what deadlift weight i should start using a belt on. ive got my form down pat, and been deadlifting completely raw including when i PR.
    wanted to know if i continued raw for now and added the belt at 500 or so pounds would it be more beneficial then if i started using the belt now. i currently pull 419 pounds, and my back remains fairly neutral when i deadlift.
    Thanks in advance
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    A lot of people advocate it at higher 95%+ weights. If you're keeping your back neutral though, then I guess there isn't much of a point in wearing it. Lol. Just one more thing to worry about in your setup. Some people do say it can add weight to your deadlift though, I've never noticed much of a difference.

    Work on your squat a bit. Lol. I've never seen someone pulling 4 plates without having at least about a 3 plate squat.
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    First off, A BELT IS NOT THERE TO KEEP YOUR SPINE NEUTRAL OR TO PREVENT INJURIES. a belt is used to lift more weight.

    imo using a belt is beneficial because of the extra stimulus. its pretty much an overload tool because you can lift more weight.

    well for squats anyways. some people like me get nothing from a belt on deadlifts.

    i started using a belt when i was at like

    415 beltless squat
    460-470 beltless deadlift

    if you want to compete in powerlifting id say go ahead and get a belt now. however if you are just training for general strength i wouldnt bother.
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    Originally Posted by bhurlburt View Post
    A lot of people advocate it at higher 95%+ weights. If you're keeping your back neutral though, then I guess there isn't much of a point in wearing it. Lol. Just one more thing to worry about in your setup. Some people do say it can add weight to your deadlift though, I've never noticed much of a difference.

    Work on your squat a bit. Lol. I've never seen someone pulling 4 plates without having at least about a 3 plate squat.
    Cheers bro, my squat is pretty bad lmap i know, i screwed my back doing them so stopped for a long time, ive been back at it the past 2 weeks, mainly focusiing on form, and have been going alright, hopefully i should be able to bit 3 plates within 1-2 months.
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    Originally Posted by Rileh View Post
    First off, A BELT IS NOT THERE TO KEEP YOUR SPINE NEUTRAL OR TO PREVENT INJURIES. a belt is used to lift more weight.

    imo using a belt is beneficial because of the extra stimulus. its pretty much an overload tool because you can lift more weight.

    well for squats anyways. some people like me get nothing from a belt on deadlifts.

    i started using a belt when i was at like

    415 beltless squat
    460-470 beltless deadlift

    if you want to compete in powerlifting id say go ahead and get a belt now. however if you are just training for general strength i wouldnt bother.
    yeah so far i've been just training for general strength, and size. more focused on strength though. i dont plan to compete for the next couple of years though, till i actually get some decent numbers. ill start wearing a belt later on then
    thanks for advice bro much appreciated
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    Originally Posted by Rileh View Post
    First off, A BELT IS NOT THERE TO KEEP YOUR SPINE NEUTRAL OR TO PREVENT INJURIES. a belt is used to lift more weight.
    I have to disagree with this explanation. A belts primary purpose is to help you lift more yes....how? By enabling you to brace harder and make your core more ridged. The primary purpose of bracing is to keep your spine neutral so that you dont topple over during your lifts and can then push or pull through the muscles used in the lift. Being able to do this does prevent injuries.

    So yes a belt is in a round about way it is used to keep the spine neutral and prevent injuries in doing so. What it is not meant for, and many have the misconception, is to support the lower back when lifting.

    I would say if you have the extra cash go ahead and get one. It doesn't hurt to learn and get comfortable using one. But its definitely not necessary.
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    Originally Posted by srwood98 View Post
    I have to disagree with this explanation. A belts primary purpose is to help you lift more yes....how? By enabling you to brace harder and make your core more ridged. The primary purpose of bracing is to keep your spine neutral so that you dont topple over during your lifts and can then push or pull through the muscles used in the lift. Being able to do this does prevent injuries.

    So yes a belt is in a round about way it is used to keep the spine neutral and prevent injuries in doing so. What it is not meant for, and many have the misconception, is to support the lower back when lifting.

    I would say if you have the extra cash go ahead and get one. It doesn't hurt to learn and get comfortable using one. But its definitely not necessary.
    if you have bad form without a belt you are going to have bad form with a belt.
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    I use it on my top sets. ALWAYS use it sparingly. It will take away from core activation.
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    Originally Posted by Rileh View Post
    First off, A BELT IS NOT THERE TO KEEP YOUR SPINE NEUTRAL OR TO PREVENT INJURIES. a belt is used to lift more weight.

    imo using a belt is beneficial because of the extra stimulus. its pretty much an overload tool because you can lift more weight.

    if you want to compete in powerlifting id say go ahead and get a belt now. however if you are just training for general strength i wouldnt bother.
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    Originally Posted by ErikTheElectric View Post
    I use it on my top sets. ALWAYS use it sparingly. It will take away from core activation.
    no it wont.

    maybe you should do some research before talking out of your ass.
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    Originally Posted by Rileh View Post
    no it wont.

    maybe you should do some research before talking out of your ass.

    Err... I'd actually suggest for YOU to do the same. I wasn't advocating AGAINST belt usage, rather to not use one as a "Crutch".

    Get over it.
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    Depends.
    Do you plan on competing in Powerlifting or Strongman events that don't allow belts?
    If so, never use one because it's not beneficial to your sport.

    If you are not planning on competing in a sport that doesn't allow belts though, I suggest using one whenever you damn-well please. Seriously. If you wake up one day and think "I want to use a belt today!" then just use it. I've seen guys use belts while they do standing bicep curls and tricep cable pulldowns because they swore it helped increase core activation that assisted the movements- Mind you, I don't believe in it but clearly they do and who am I to tell them how to lift?
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    I disagree it on the point it doesn't help protect from injury. It noticeably keeps your core tighter. Better to be safe than sorry, I won't be maxing out raw anytime soon

    Belt also definately helps shift heavier weight, and who doesn't like that!
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    Originally Posted by Rileh View Post
    if you have bad form without a belt you are going to have bad form with a belt.
    i agree. I never said it would correct your form however it does help you maintain it under heavier loads due to the reasons I listed above.
    Also using a belt PROPERLY effects a lot of peoples form due to the change in how one braces with a belt vs without. So I think it is an important lesson for anyone to learn because you could very well end up having good form without one. And then bad with because you never learned how to train using a belt.
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