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    Traditional Education Vs Untraditional Education?

    traditional education vs more modern and untraditional education....what's your view? which has helped you more in life? If you are untraditionally educated, how do you personally sell yourself and your skills? If you were traditionally educated, did your degree prepare you adequately or has it merely been a trophy for your resume'? Also, if you are in a position where you interview/hire, how much does the type of education come into play for you?
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    what do you mean by traditional? I was taking some online college courses a couple years ago but I was concerned if future employers would accept an online degree so I switched to attending a normal four year state university.
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    I consider traditional a 4 year degree

    non traditional: online degree, online workshops, webinars, ebooks, teaching oneself, individual learning, certifications......so many options there.
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    I can't speak for every degree because mine was more specialized not a general one like in English or Business. I have an associates in Computer Networking and Bachelors in Computer Systems Security. Both degress have helped me land jobs. As far as preparing you for a job, somewhat. It gave me insight and knowledge into my fields. How that translates into my job is that it has given me a good foundation to grow and do things how my job wants. How secure you make the network depends upon where you work and their business model. For instance a government network which handles classified data is going to be more secure than a wireless network at a McDonalds.

    Certifications come in handy depending on what the certification is. For networking, CCNA is a highly sought out cert for managing and implementing Cisco devices.

    So traditional has helped me and untraditional has helped me. But this is my situation, not sure how other degrees would land people.
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    I'm getting my degree in Computer Science Engineering, and I've learned a lot...Couldn't imagine getting a job without it. Not sure if I want to work with software or networking when I graduate, so like nelly said certs are very important if I went with the networking path. If I went with the software/programming path I might want to get my masters.
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    I have a university degree with a high GPA.

    I spent 10 years as a 911 operator/police dispatcher.

    I learned far more about life & general usable skills from my job than from my degree. I found college to be for the birds. I had a 400-level Chaucer class once (don't ask...) and the girl behind me was laughing that she had a better education than her mechanic. Now wtf is her English lit degree going to get her? Considering the mechanic probably took her wallet to the cleaners...

    I guess my point is that I find people overestimate formal education and underestimate the true value of an informal education.
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    Originally Posted by sonti View Post

    I guess my point is that I find people overestimate formal education and underestimate the true value of an informal education.
    Couldn't agree more. The classroom can't teach you all the "what-ifs" that you experience during everyday life & especially in the workplace. I know so many people who have graduated with a degree and started their first "real" job without half a clue as to what they're supposed to be doing. I value my professional experience way more than my degrees.
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    I completed a university degree on campus so traditional education. That said, I've been working in my sector for about 10 years now and most of my knowledge is due to my experience on the job.
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    [QUOTE=sonti;986234313]the girl behind me was laughing that she had a better education than her mechanic.QUOTE]

    Don't forget her mechanic also probably makes 2-3x what she does!

    Qualified trades people have usually taken an apprenticeship program that combines on the job experience with intervals of traditional schooling. To get a trades cert, must pass a provincial (or national) exam. My apprenticeship was 4 years. I do know many good trades workers who have skills and no certification, and therefore get lower wages with little of no benefits. Without my "formal" training, I would never be in the position I am now.

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    I think the answer to this depends a lot upon the specific field.

    I work in the experience/interaction design field and I've hired a lot of fresh out of college grads. In general, they come in and require a lot of mentoring and on-the-job training. During the first few years there is a huge development investment as they actually learn how to do the real work. Experience and exposure are key here. While the college degree doesn't fully prepare them for the job, I don't view it as worthless though. Getting through the college program shows me that they have learned how to think, make decisions, problem solve, prioritize, hit deadlines and also have some foundational craft expertise upon which I can build. So for entry level positions, the degree can be an important deciding factor. But it isn't the only factor.

    The most important thing in my field is the candidate's portfolio of work. We look at the actual work the person has done (if they are a student I ask to see their project work or work from their internship). A great portfolio will always outweigh a degree. There have been a few folks I've seen through the years who have managed to break into the field just using non-traditional educational opportunities and by doing a lot of pro-bono work in order to build their portfolio. Doesn't happen often but I've seen it. Also, after a certain amount of time in my field, no one even looks at your degree anymore. It is all about the portfolio of work.
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    I agree wtih dsm246, it is very field specific.

    I'm a veterinarian, and there's no real way to do that without getting a DVM, the same goes with all the other health professions. As for my specialty, I can probably do that without residency training, but to be able to advance I need more credentials. So I'd say it's necessary.

    As for what the training teaches me, I would definitely place tons of value on experience, rather than didactic learning. There is so much more learned from say, actually treating a diabetic cat than reading in a book how to do it. Completely different experiences, with the former being much more useful.
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    i have done my graduation in computer science and i don't think so i would be able to get reputed job without it!!! so in my case modern education plays a vital role and i prefer it a lot also.
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    I have both kinds of education and they were each very useful in their own ways. For example, I took Computer Science in high school and that was probably the most useful classes I ever took in my life, the teacher didn't focus on teaching us a programming language, he taught us to program in general, in fact, he taught us how to approach problems. Thanks to those classes, I can learn any programming language in literally a matter of hours. Other classes I took in my 4 year degree were useful basically to let me know that knowledge was out there, so now if I have specific problems I more or less know it's a, oh I don't know, a matrix transformation issue, or a 3d space surface problems, etc, so I can go back to the books and find the solution quickly.
    When I changed career from Computer Science, courses were useful for the basics, and also I was lucky to have teachers that really believed in me and supported me. Most of what I use in my current career though is self taught or learned from colleagues. I actually enjoy learning new things by myself.
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    Non-traditional here. But I had to work at marketing myself, showing what I could do and delivering.

    3 yrs engineering degree, but didn't graduate due to personal reasons. Worked a variety of things. Got my AA in Nursing. Worked as an RN for few years. Managed to get my foot in as an educator at a small group that's part of a huge health system. Worked up to running the dept in 2 yrs. always selling those prior experiences and my unique set of qualifications. Project mgmt in nursing is not common. Just now finished my BSN and most people in my role have a masters, PhD or DNP. Earned my way into two non-degree training programs at work, so more experience and credentials for free.

    So I of course love non-traditional people but you need to have the goods and you need to know how to network. That said, I've tried to hire a few non-traditionals who had solid experience. They really didn't have the background to do the job. They couldn't get past some prelim screenings. So you still have to have the knowledge or skills.
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    I have a degree, I never use it. I went to college because I was expected to, but I learned more from life then I did at school.
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    Originally Posted by resilience5241 View Post
    Couldn't agree more. The classroom can't teach you all the "what-ifs" that you experience during everyday life & especially in the workplace. I know so many people who have graduated with a degree and started their first "real" job without half a clue as to what they're supposed to be doing. I value my professional experience way more than my degrees.
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