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    Belt or no belt?

    Well since Ive started working out Ive been lifting heavy and even during chest incline or bench press I feel my back aching and during the day Ive always this very bad feeling in my back. Now should I wear a belt in the gym cuz at night Im not even able to sleep on my back but on my belly...belt or not???
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    Originally Posted by reemas View Post
    Well since Ive started working out Ive been lifting heavy and even during chest incline or bench press I feel my back aching and during the day Ive always this very bad feeling in my back. Now should I wear a belt in the gym cuz at night Im not even able to sleep on my back but on my belly...belt or not???
    Find the cause. Don't try and mask the problem with a belt, thats not what they are for, you'll just end up even more hurt.

    I'd put money on your form being poor.
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    interesting reading about belts

    http://stronglifts.com/weight-liftin...r-not-to-wear/

    A brief article from stronglifts...recommends no belt.
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    Originally Posted by Essexlad View Post
    Find the cause. Don't try and mask the problem with a belt, thats not what they are for, you'll just end up even more hurt.

    I'd put money on your form being poor.
    Ive increased my lifts dramatically all due to the fact my form, motivation and concentration is high. Its just that maybe I'm also overtraining...working out all muscle groups twice a week.
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    Originally Posted by reemas View Post
    Ive increased my lifts dramatically all due to the fact my form, motivation and concentration is high. Its just that maybe I'm also overtraining...working out all muscle groups twice a week.
    I'd say you're definitely over-training bro. You'd be surprised how many exercises use the back. Back off some and see if that helps.
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    Originally Posted by reemas View Post
    Well since Ive started working out Ive been lifting heavy and even during chest incline or bench press I feel my back aching and during the day Ive always this very bad feeling in my back. Now should I wear a belt in the gym cuz at night Im not even able to sleep on my back but on my belly...belt or not???
    A belt won't help if you have sh@tty form. You shouldn't be in that kind of pain. Take some time off, let that back heal, then come back with perfect form. If you have to go down in weight then so be it.
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    Originally Posted by Kodokan View Post
    http://stronglifts.com/weight-liftin...r-not-to-wear/

    A brief article from stronglifts...recommends no belt.
    then why does it say at the end to use a belt if you plan on competing.
    if belts are so bad, why do competitors ALL use them?
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    Originally Posted by allergic2rice View Post
    then why does it say at the end to use a belt if you plan on competing.
    if belts are so bad, why do competitors ALL use them?
    Because you can lift more weight with them, if used properly. That article is a bit misguided anyway.
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    Originally Posted by Essexlad View Post
    Because you can lift more weight with them, if used properly. That article is a bit misguided anyway.
    exactly what I was thinking...
    i mean, if you know what ur doing, and use good form, you can reap the benefits of a belt.

    but you shouldn't just blatantly rely on the belt to substitute for your bad form.
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    Competitors use them because in competition you aren't looking to train, or grow your muscles. you are looking to lift as much weight as you can by whatever means necessary, form be damned, in order to win the competition. In order to do that you use a belt to help you, along with special knee wraps, wrist wraps, shirts, and suits so you can move more metal than the rest of the guys in your class.

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    But if I decided to compete, then I’d train more with a belt to get used to it.
    He is saying here that a belt is a tool for competition and like all tools you have to learn to use it properly through practice.
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    Originally Posted by Wildtim View Post
    Competitors use them because in competition you aren't looking to train, or grow your muscles. you are looking to lift as much weight as you can by whatever means necessary, form be damned, in order to win the competition. In order to do that you use a belt to help you, along with special knee wraps, wrist wraps, shirts, and suits so you can move more metal than the rest of the guys in your class.

    Get the quote right



    He is saying here that a belt is a tool for competition and like all tools you have to learn to use it properly through practice.
    but how will anyone practice using a belt if they are persuaded to stay away from them?
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    You train to gain strength sometimes, sans belt.

    You train for competition sometimes, wih belt.

    Just like:

    You train for strength sometimes to be stronger for playing ball

    You train by playing ball sometimes to get better at ball.


    In other words when working out you work out. When practicing your sport you practice as you would in competition. If you are a powerlifter that means you use a belt for practicing your sport.
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    Originally Posted by Wildtim View Post
    You train to gain strength sometimes, sans belt.

    You train for competition sometimes, wih belt.

    Just like:

    You train for strength sometimes to be stronger for playing ball

    You train by playing ball sometimes to get better at ball.


    In other words when working out you work out. When practicing your sport you practice as you would in competition. If you are a powerlifter that means you use a belt for practicing your sport.
    so...you would still have to belt up for some kind of lift while you work out, no?
    I mean, it would be stupid to just belt up and practice going up and down with it... i think...
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    Are you a troll?

    Come on seriously?

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    Originally Posted by Wildtim View Post
    Are you a troll?

    Come on seriously?

    third time ive gotten a facepalm this week......


    all im saying is, you have to use a belt to "practice" using it.
    *if you decided to get into Pl'ing*
    but if ur taught to stay away from belts, then wut?
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    back pain from bench. Either your form is wrong or you're over training. The only time to use a belt is deads and squats and even that i don't use a belt unless its 3 reps or less. a strong core and lower back will exceed a belt.
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    They say that compression of the diaphram helps the lift,it makes perfect sense.Ive been doing some serious core work for months and found I used it less and less(belt).But in the beginning when my form sucked on squats and deads I used them,It "felt "like it kepy my back straight.
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    from the way it sounds, you work the muscles twice a week, your probably overtraining. I would say to just make sure your form is right, and that you cut back a little on your training since obviously your back is hurting. i would also say if you go for a high weight or max, use the belt, but like some else said earlier, don't use it to just substitue for the pain.
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    you shouldn't need a belt to bench, although alot of powerlifters use them to hold their bench shirt from sliding up. if you hurt your back benching, something was probably wrong with your form or you hurt it before and benching aggravated it. not saying it couldn't happen, but i can't see hurting your back benching, especially your lower back (where you put your belt).

    for deadlift and squat, make sure your form is right, a belt won't save you from that. use your belt for heavier sets. never for warm ups.

    i use mine when i military press, it keeps me from hyperextending my back. not sure what anyone would say about that, but i don't really care.
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    Originally Posted by animalfan View Post
    you shouldn't need a belt to bench, although alot of powerlifters use them to hold their bench shirt from sliding up. if you hurt your back benching, something was probably wrong with your form or you hurt it before and benching aggravated it. not saying it couldn't happen, but i can't see hurting your back benching, especially your lower back (where you put your belt).

    for deadlift and squat, make sure your form is right, a belt won't save you from that. use your belt for heavier sets. never for warm ups.

    i use mine when i military press, it keeps me from hyperextending my back. not sure what anyone would say about that, but i don't really care.
    thanks for the concerns. Now let me clear this. I powerlift and usually perform 1-5 reps at max. And when I do usually you strain from head to toe meaning that I'm pushing myself to the edge. Now I push myself everytime even if I've got to do my for e.g. biceps cuz I always work till I feel that rush, headflow if you know what I'm saying.

    For a change today I decided to wear a belt after I ordered it and I must say it is the best thing that happened cuz I dont wear it the whole time but only when I push myself to the limit and during rest I remove it.

    I managed to put less strain on my whole back which is what I meant and not lower back (sorry guys for the misunderstanding but that is what I meant in this post. sorry :P)

    I advice people trying to put mass which is through powerlifting should try the belt. By this I mean folks who work within the 1-5 rep range with heavy weights. When performing with lower weights and more reps 8-15 there is no need to wear a belt in my humble opinion.

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    thanks for the concerns. Now let me clear this. I powerlift and usually perform 1-5 reps at max. And when I do usually you strain from head to toe meaning that I'm pushing myself to the edge. Now I push myself everytime even if I've got to do my for e.g. biceps cuz I always work till I feel that rush, headflow if you know what I'm saying.

    For a change today I decided to wear a belt after I ordered it and I must say it is the best thing that happened cuz I dont wear it the whole time but only when I push myself to the limit and during rest I remove it.

    I managed to put less strain on my whole back which is what I meant and not lower back (sorry guys for the misunderstanding but that is what I meant in this post. sorry :P)

    I advice people trying to put mass which is through powerlifting should try the belt. By this I mean folks who work within the 1-5 rep range with heavy weights. When performing with lower weights and more reps 8-15 there is no need to wear a belt in my humble opinion.

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    that's about when i put mine on, 5 reps or lower. not sure about using a belt for biceps, but if you think it helps go for it.

    be sure to keep working your lower back and abs, that is the only downside to wearing a belt alot, it takes away from the "core" work during compound movements.

    i worked with a guy that was huge, strong, and always wore his belt. the only exercises he did without it were lower back and ab exercises. it worked for him, he never had any injuries in the 4 years i worked/lifted with him.
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    that's about when i put mine on, 5 reps or lower. not sure about using a belt for biceps, but if you think it helps go for it.

    be sure to keep working your lower back and abs, that is the only downside to wearing a belt alot, it takes away from the "core" work during compound movements.

    i worked with a guy that was huge, strong, and always wore his belt. the only exercises he did without it were lower back and ab exercises. it worked for him, he never had any injuries in the 4 years i worked/lifted with him.
    the only exercises one SHOULDN'T/DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE if they wear a belt are
    1. chest
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    A .pdf with a review of research on back belts for occupation/athletics...this is what that stronglifts article was summarizing I think.
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    kshaft50 has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10)
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    it may be uncomfortable but go with the belt
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