The only difference between a "CLEAN" and "DIRTY" food is...

**Dr. Horse** · 09-26-2008, 12:46 AM

How much of it you eat.

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**Caleb** · 09-26-2008, 12:49 AM

Not exactly. More like how processed it is.

**Dr. Horse** · 09-26-2008, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Caleb

Not exactly. More like how processed it is.

Please re-read post #1.

**Caleb** · 09-26-2008, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by Mr. Horse

Please re-read post #1.

Sure thing. Whatever floats your boat man.

**Mr. Manlet** · 09-26-2008, 12:57 AM

nutrient density is what i go by...but i see your point

**Alexinator** · 09-26-2008, 12:59 AM

well no crap, eating 1 big mac a day won't make you fat if you don't go past x (X being your BMR + workout etc.)

But instead of a big mac you could eat 100 stems of celery, 10 pounds of broccoli, and bunch of other healthy crap. In the end, the more calories vs calories in works and wins. You can get fat off cottage cheese =)

**Caleb** · 09-26-2008, 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by lax28

nutrient density is what i go by...but i see your point

Some clean foods are very dense, such as almonds. "clean" foods will be clean regardless of how much you eat of them. That's not to say it's fine to eat all of them you want... but there is a definite difference between 400 calories of lean steak and 400 calories of cupcake frosting.

**-Aaron-** · 09-26-2008, 01:09 AM

Originally Posted by Caleb

Not exactly. More like how processed it is.

You sir, are wrong and right at the same time.

**Caleb** · 09-26-2008, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by -Aaron-

You sir, are wrong and right at the same time.

Very ninja like of me, I know

**-Aaron-** · 09-26-2008, 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by Caleb

Very ninja like of me, I know

Wrong in that it will effect body composition.

Right in the effect that most are a byproduct of processing.

**bdiesel** · 09-26-2008, 01:13 AM

it's irrellevant really. what are you going to do eat one bite of a big mac versus 4 egg whites and a slice of whole grain toast?

**Caleb** · 09-26-2008, 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by -Aaron-

Wrong in that it will effect body composition.

Right in the effect that most are a byproduct of processing.

I hope that you are not saying what I think you're saying. Food from different sources reacts differently in the body. Clean foods and "dirty" foods will most certainly have a different impact on body comp.

**-Aaron-** · 09-26-2008, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by Caleb

I hope that you are not saying what I think you're saying. Food from different sources reacts differently in the body. Clean foods and "dirty" foods will most certainly have a different impact on body comp.

Let's talk about a caloric surplus, the subject you know nothing about apparently.

Prove to me that you will gain fat "differently" with a food deemed "unhealthy" vs. a food deemed "healthy" if both puts the user in the same caloric surplus.

This of course is if the required amount of protein, efa's, and vitamins in ones diet are met.

You can't prove it to me, because it's just not true.

**fanboy** · 09-26-2008, 04:00 AM

I've never got my head around this either. Apart from things like vitamins, if you ate say a bigmac a day vs toast + cottage cheese a day, with the exact same amount of carbs/protein/fats - is there a difference? I keep hearing this "it effects your body composition" thrown around without any facts to back it up. Does it come down to things like absorption and digestion rate and the amount of useful protein your body can absorb?

e.g. does your body more effectively use a 5lb steak as a source of protein than a processed beefburger? I have no knowledge of how the body works but in my mind a beefburger would be more effectively utilised as its ground = bigger surface area!

**Jules Verne** · 09-26-2008, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by Mr. Horse

Please re-read post #1.

Good point. I can now say a BigMac is 100% clean for me. Same with fries. I can continue eating as much of that stuff as I want, yipee!

On the other hand it would mean fruit might be 'dirty' on occasion. Booo!

**deejaykaydee** · 09-26-2008, 05:05 AM

Mr Horse - Look what have you done!

And you knew it would happen too!

**Paumen** · 09-26-2008, 05:12 AM

I thought this was a bb forum...not a lets eat some **** food and who cares cause my portion is smaller bull****.

**deejaykaydee** · 09-26-2008, 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by Paumen

I thought this was a bb forum...not a lets eat some **** food and who cares cause my portion is smaller bull****.

Please enlighten us on "proper bodybuilding nutrition", Dr Scientist.

**InclineVet** · 09-26-2008, 05:24 AM

Well clean foods help keep your heart healthy, so a good portion of rice and chicken breast will always win over a big mac and fries which equate to the same cals....

**Jules Verne** · 09-26-2008, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by Paumen

I thought this was a bb forum...

Err, NO. Sorry. Maybe one day.

**MrCarrot** · 09-26-2008, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by Jules Verne

Err, NO. Sorry. Maybe one day.

lol

**lorinelise** · 09-26-2008, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by Jules Verne

Err, NO. Sorry. Maybe one day.

I lol'ed....all I know is I opened this thread, saw "Mr. Horse" and "-Aaron-" and knew it was gonna go well from there

**wildrice** · 09-26-2008, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by -Aaron-

Let's talk about a caloric surplus, the subject you know nothing about apparently.

Prove to me that you will gain fat "differently" with a food deemed "unhealthy" vs. a food deemed "healthy" if both puts the user in the same caloric surplus.

This of course is if the required amount of protein, efa's, and vitamins in ones diet are met.

You can't prove it to me, because it's just not true.

while i agree on this basis, i feel food quality should not be solely measured by it's effect on body composition - there are many indicators of good health

**TulsaCoker** · 09-26-2008, 07:09 AM

What no one washes their food beore they eat it? Wow I always eat clean food.

**Bioteknik** · 09-26-2008, 07:28 AM

Micronutrients don't matter any more?

I'd like to see a dirty diet matched with a clean diet by calorie and then show me that there is no difference in micronutrients and probably fiber.

**Scarl3tbutt3rfly** · 09-26-2008, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by TulsaCoker

What no one washes their food beore they eat it? Wow I always eat clean food.

It is probably clean too if the plastic wrapping isnt torn or anything

**Dr. Horse** · 09-26-2008, 08:27 AM

Some people have a reading comprehension problem.

I didn't say anything about a "clean DIET".

I am talking about "clean FOODS".

**Sirtitan** · 09-26-2008, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by -Aaron-

Let's talk about a caloric surplus, the subject you know nothing about apparently.

Prove to me that you will gain fat "differently" with a food deemed "unhealthy" vs. a food deemed "healthy" if both puts the user in the same caloric surplus.

This of course is if the required amount of protein, efa's, and vitamins in ones diet are met.

You can't prove it to me, because it's just not true.

I'm really confused here. I thought the macronutrient composition of the food we eat has a specific effect on our endocrine system. Isn't it also true that more calories are used to metabolize protein than carbs? If this is true, then I can't see the effect of a 100 calorie surplus of protein being equal to that of a 100 calorie surplus of carbs. I think the point you are trying to make is that a calorie surplus will make you gain fat regardless, but I think the effect is not equal. Advise

**atanas** · 09-26-2008, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by -Aaron-

Let's talk about a caloric surplus, the subject you know nothing about apparently.

Prove to me that you will gain fat "differently" with a food deemed "unhealthy" vs. a food deemed "healthy" if both puts the user in the same caloric surplus.

This of course is if the required amount of protein, efa's, and vitamins in ones diet are met.

You can't prove it to me, because it's just not true.

"bad foods" will most likely affect various hormonal responses of your organism in many different ways. higher Glycemic index, insulin spikes, trans fat will all affect your health sooner or later and make you less energetic, thus less active with less calories burnt. Also deficiencies in vitamins, fiber and minerals might also affect your metabolism and your ability to maintain LBM. I might agree that for some people, those things could be somehow "forgiven" but in the long run, time will take its toll.
Nutrition interferes with our genes and the way they are expressed, so eating what we are supposed to eat is much more than just a calorie in-calorie out issue.

**-Aaron-** · 09-26-2008, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by Mr. Horse

Some people either have a reading comprehension problem.

I didn't say anything about a "clean DIET".

I am talking about "clean FOODS".

I understood it, read it thoroughly, and followed it with a decisive answer.

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