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    Trying to get big and cut? Which of these?

    I know I have posted a few times. Like twice I think. But this is a different subject I have narrowed down. Repps awarded. I am trying to decide. Should I do ANIMAL PUMP with CL(GM WF PW?) or should I use ANIMAL CUT with CL(GM WF PW). Or give me a mix and match of which to use. I want to get big and have def. In abs and stuff. Or if you have any others I could get at GNC to mix with CL thats fine.
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    Its really hard to get big AND cut at the same time since one involves excess calories and one involves a deficit in calories. You'd be better served to choose big OR cut. Bulk and then cut afterwards or cut then bulk.

    I havent tried it but you might not want to use WF with Animal Pump. Seems like a lot if stims. But like I said, I havent tried WF so I dont how amped its gets you. I've heard WF works very well tho.

    Plus you will be using Pump and GM together? Will you be half dosing your GM? If not, you'll be taking about 8 grams of creatine per day. A little too much. I would choose Pump or WF&GM.

    The CL stacks get alot of credit here and so does Aniaml/Uni so you really cant lose. Just a matter of picking a goal, eating big and training hard.

    Also, you have no rep power so you might not want to offer those
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    This is my brothers account I will use mine next time. But I want to get defined. That is what I want. I do not know which of these I should take which is why I am asking. So you think I should do ANIMAL PUMP with ANIMAL STAK??? Or ANIMAL PUMP with WF/GM? Just trying to get the best out if it.
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    Or even a animal pak in there? Just give me your suggestions. I dont have to use them all. I just want to use the best to get me defined. I have these supplements. Just help me know which is best to use: ANIMAL PUMP, ANIMAL STAK, ANIMAL PAK, ANIMAL CUTS, CL (WF GM PW), HYDROXYCUT HARDCORE.. That is what I have I want to get defined. Which will help me? Along with a good diet and good workout. Please.
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    Originally Posted by Checkers4295 View Post
    I do not know which of these I should take which is why I am asking.
    Thats what makes the decision to cut OR bulk very important. That choice will decide what diet and supps to use.

    So you think I should do ANIMAL PUMP with ANIMAL STAK??? Or ANIMAL PUMP with WF/GM? Just trying to get the best out if it.
    If I was going to bulk I would use either the CL stack or Animal Pump, M-Stack and Torrent.
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    Ok, I want to lose some weight and get more cut... Which should I use for that?
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    Ok what stack or mix of these would be the best to use? : ANIMAL PUMP, ANIMAL STAK, ANIMAL PAK, ANIMAL CUTS, CL (WF GM PW), HYDROXYCUT HARDCORE.. I just want to use the best possible stack out of these right here. It can be for bulking or cutting just state which you would choose and if it is cut or bulk. We can mix these in anyway we can.
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    animal pump/pak/ stak

    animal pak and animal cuts

    controlled labs stack and animal pak
    animal cuts/purple wrath/ animal pak

    you can do alot it just depends on what you want to do
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    Here's my setup

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    Works pretty damn well for me, both with muscle gain and definition
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    Originally Posted by Checkers4295 View Post
    Ok what stack or mix of these would be the best to use? : ANIMAL PUMP, ANIMAL STAK, ANIMAL PAK, ANIMAL CUTS, CL (WF GM PW), HYDROXYCUT HARDCORE.. I just want to use the best possible stack out of these right here. It can be for bulking or cutting just state which you would choose and if it is cut or bulk. We can mix these in anyway we can.
    I woud take the CL stack with Animal stak out of those for a bulk.
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    Ok, I think I will go bulking first. To get bigger and I can always have stacked abs instead of shredded abs. So which for a bulk??
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    You could do the cL stack with animal stakand pak. then to cut go with pak and cuts or hcut hardcore
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    Animal Pak is the foundation and you should be using it first and foremost. A good multi is key and without it, you might not have your minimum requirements covered.

    Animal Omega is also foundational to get your EFA's.

    if your diet and training are in order (they are, aren't they?) then you can try different Animal products.

    i think that Pump is excellent on a a bulk or a cut and i have used it on both.

    from there, you can tailor what you use to either a cut or a bulk...

    on a cut?
    maybe try Cuts first, then maybe Cuts/Stak or Cuts/MStak

    on a a bulk? maybe try Stak, followed by Test, or Stak/Test
    i'd also highly suggest Universal Torrent post-wo.

    make sure your diet and training are in order, and your using Pak, then try these products one at a time.
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    Using Animal Pump with your CL stack would be redundant. Pump is an NO supp and has creatine (so no need for GM and WF). CL + Cuts would be a better choice out of the scenarios you suggested.
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    Originally Posted by Checkers4295 View Post
    This is my brothers account I will use mine next time. But I want to get defined. That is what I want. I do not know which of these I should take which is why I am asking. So you think I should do ANIMAL PUMP with ANIMAL STAK??? Or ANIMAL PUMP with WF/GM? Just trying to get the best out if it.
    I know what you should take.. Take a good diet and proper training (comes first). I been in the best shape of my life actually back when I didn't even use supplements. Worry about your diet and then your training and if you want to add some supplements in go for it. Personally I would go with White Flood and Storm to start with and of course whey protein. Forget Animal Stak, Animal Pump...
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    Originally Posted by joe-yamma View Post
    Animal Pak is the foundation and you should be using it first and foremost. A good multi is key and without it, you might not have your minimum requirements covered.

    Animal Omega is also foundational to get your EFA's.

    if your diet and training are in order (they are, aren't they?) then you can try different Animal products.

    i think that Pump is excellent on a a bulk or a cut and i have used it on both.

    from there, you can tailor what you use to either a cut or a bulk...

    on a cut?
    maybe try Cuts first, then maybe Cuts/Stak or Cuts/MStak

    on a a bulk? maybe try Stak, followed by Test, or Stak/Test
    i'd also highly suggest Universal Torrent post-wo.

    make sure your diet and training are in order, and your using Pak, then try these products one at a time.
    Not trying to be a prick, but any good multi Vitamin will do him, Animal Pak isn't going to make a difference besides make his wallet a little lighter.

    A good Fish and Flax Oil will do it, not fancy stuff just inexpensive Fish and Flax

    For Pre workout energy Shock Therapy and White Flood are the best I have tried (Animal Pump is a weak pill form of Shock Therapy in my opinion)


    You should of recommended creatine to him, I would recommend Storm
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    Honestly I believe animal pak is one of the best multis. I just recently switched back from NOW adam and I do notice a difference. Now adam is a excellent choice, so are a host of other multis. pack is good on a cut, also the pak can be a stand alone it has loads of stuff in it.

    Since the original posting member say to use what he has; animal pak was all he had
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    Originally Posted by RonShipman View Post
    Not trying to be a prick, but any good multi Vitamin will do him, Animal Pak isn't going to make a difference besides make his wallet a little lighter.
    we can agree to disagree. i have used regular multis and i have have used other bb'ing multis. Animal Pak has always worked the best for me, and i've been using Pak for a long time (15 years).

    Originally Posted by RonShipman View Post
    A good Fish and Flax Oil will do it, not fancy stuff just inexpensive Fish and Flax
    any good fish and flax oil is better than nothing.
    again, i have used many Omega supplements and i really like Animal Omega better. have you looked at the profile of Animal Omega? really, it's the best EFA product on the market.

    Originally Posted by RonShipman View Post
    For Pre workout energy Shock Therapy and White Flood are the best I have tried (Animal Pump is a weak pill form of Shock Therapy in my opinion)
    Animal Pump is better compared to both Shock Therapy and Storm together.
    the energy pill in Pump is smoother energy while that of ST is more of a "kick"
    i guess it just depends on the individuals reaction to stims and their preference.

    Originally Posted by RonShipman View Post
    You should of recommended creatine to him, I would recommend Storm
    Animal Pump has a full day's serving of creatine in it. i like Storm a lot too.
    i'd suggest Pump on training days and Storm on off days.
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