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    Protein and Carbs alone = BIG Insulin Spike

    I recently read on bodybuilding.com that having protein with carbs alone causes a bigger spike in insulin that just one of two, and that fat should be consumed along with those two. Why does this happen? How much weight should I give this in my diet? How much of a bigger affect on insulin are we talking? And is it only if you mix certain things? Like will oatmeal and egg whites produce the same effect as oatmeal and whey?

    And how much/what kind of fat should be consumed to negate the insulin spike?
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    Originally Posted by bmx2962 View Post
    I recently read on bodybuilding.com that having protein with carbs alone causes a bigger spike in insulin that just one of two, and that fat should be consumed along with those two. Why does this happen? How much weight should I give this in my diet? How much of a bigger affect on insulin are we talking? And is it only if you mix certain things? Like will oatmeal and egg whites produce the same effect as oatmeal and whey?

    And how much/what kind of fat should be consumed to negate the insulin spike?
    depends on the type of carb and protein being ingested.
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    any examples? Maybe an article link?

    I don't even know how to word the search for this to do it on my own.
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    Originally Posted by bmx2962 View Post
    any examples? Maybe an article link?

    I don't even know how to word the search for this to do it on my own.
    i.e. Milk. That **** gives you crazy insulin spikes 80% caesin or not. (skim milk)
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    Originally Posted by bmx2962 View Post
    I recently read on bodybuilding.com that having protein with carbs alone causes a bigger spike in insulin that just one of two, and that fat should be consumed along with those two. Why does this happen? How much weight should I give this in my diet? How much of a bigger affect on insulin are we talking? And is it only if you mix certain things? Like will oatmeal and egg whites produce the same effect as oatmeal and whey?

    And how much/what kind of fat should be consumed to negate the insulin spike?
    bmx2962, I too have been researching this topic. I have come to the conclusion that protein and carbohydrates with minimal fat should be consumed at breakfast and pre/post workout. Protein and fat should be consumed at all other times.
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    but why do protein and carbs react in such a way to create an increased insulin response. The article never said why, it just said thats what happens.

    "Do not combine carbohydrates and protein alone, this elicits the highest insulin response. For example, a cup of oatmeal has a moderate insulin response but when you combine oatmeal with whey protein, you get a much higher response. If you do combine these, be sure to add a fat source."
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    you should not let this affect your diet at all
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    Originally Posted by icery View Post
    you should not let this affect your diet at all
    I guess your right. I'm probably over thinking this too much

    I'm just worried because I want to know how much of an impact this supposed effect has.

    Like what is the GI scale equivalent of a Protein and Carb only meal? Is it a negligible increase?
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    Originally Posted by bmx2962 View Post
    but why do protein and carbs react in such a way to create an increased insulin response. The article never said why, it just said thats what happens.

    "Do not combine carbohydrates and protein alone, this elicits the highest insulin response. For example, a cup of oatmeal has a moderate insulin response but when you combine oatmeal with whey protein, you get a much higher response. If you do combine these, be sure to add a fat source."
    bmx2962, I do not know the answer to your question. However, the following link:

    http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=460027

    is one of many sources that led me to the conclusion I posted above.
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    Originally Posted by Mala_Luna View Post
    bmx2962, I do not know the answer to your question. However, the following link:

    http://www.t-nation.com/...ic.do?id=460027

    is one of many sources that led me to the conclusion I posted above.
    The link didn't work, but I used the site search to find some info. Thanks.
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    Originally Posted by bmx2962 View Post
    The link didn't work, but I used the site search to find some info. Thanks.
    bmx2962, I edited the link.
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    well whey has a decent spike already, so i can see why when you mix them, but i recently started using pb in the morning and casein in my oatmeal, and i would have to say i already noticed the difference
    o yea and pb with my sweet potatoes
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    so if P+C+F= big insulin response, would this be bad first thing in the morning? i mean i have eggs, oatmeal, milk, and banana. high in protein, carbs and fat.
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    why is insulin such a big deal? just keep your calories in range and you will be fine.
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    Stackign fat with carbs pre workout is not a good idea, great way to get fat.

    Taking carbs and protein post workout is what you are supposed to do.

    You want to spike insulin after a workout so the Insulin takes the Whey you bought from a store to your muscle tissue. Do you just think it gets there magically?

    Also Your statement is very vague because all foods cause a different type of reaction depending on body type/ genetics / Bf etc etc.
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    Originally Posted by Northman69 View Post
    Stackign fat with carbs pre workout is not a good idea, great way to get fat.

    Taking carbs and protein post workout is what you are supposed to do.

    You want to spike insulin after a workout so the Insulin takes the Whey you bought from a store to your muscle tissue. Do you just think it gets there magically?

    Also Your statement is very vague because all foods cause a different type of reaction depending on body type/ genetics / Bf etc etc.
    Did you copy and paste this from muscletech.com?
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    Originally Posted by Tussmann57 View Post
    Did you copy and paste this from muscletech.com?
    No it came from my head u homo, I hate all supplements cept creatine and Pure whey Isolate.

    And I would defintely never use muscle tech lol..
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    hmm. I'm pretty sure I've read the exact opposite. The idea was that combining protein and carbs together caused the insulin response to be more even.

    Just to make sure I wasn't talking out of my arse, here's an article from T-Nation that suggests protein + carbs is a good thing. In fact, the article discusses the benefits of creating a large insulin response.

    I can see the logic in what they are saying, but it doesn't account for those that are insulin resistant or type 2 diabetic. Having a nice predictable insulin response is pretty important to those folks.

    http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=460327
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    Originally Posted by Northman69 View Post
    No it came from my head u homo, I hate all supplements cept creatine and Pure whey Isolate.

    And I would defintely never use muscle tech lol..
    Wow such maturity from a 25 year old man. Thanks for your insightful yet incredibly wrong information. You're a ****ing genius.

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    Originally Posted by Mala_Luna View Post
    bmx2962, I too have been researching this topic. I have come to the conclusion that protein and carbohydrates with minimal fat should be consumed at breakfast and pre/post workout. Protein and fat should be consumed at all other times.
    Originally Posted by Northman69 View Post
    Stackign fat with carbs pre workout is not a good idea, great way to get fat.
    This is basically what John Berardi recommended a few years ago, and has since moved away from this notion. I refuse to believe that a wholesome carb like a sweet potato, combined with a healthy fat like peanut butter will make me fat. If you eat more than you burn, you will gain weight. Telling people to avoid fat with carbs is stupid, especially when you see people posting "how much oatmeal can I eat in the morning", or "is it ok to use bbq sauce cause it has carbs."

    Originally Posted by yummiyoshi View Post
    so if P+C+F= big insulin response, would this be bad first thing in the morning? i mean i have eggs, oatmeal, milk, and banana. high in protein, carbs and fat.
    P+C+F = less insulin response, because the fat blunts it and gives the body a chance react to it by slowing down the insulin release. I eat P+C+F in all my meals, and I am not fat.
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    this makes me not want to mix FF milk with my Protein shake!!


    I guess i can do W Milk before bed.
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    Originally Posted by Tussmann57 View Post
    why is insulin such a big deal? just keep your calories in range and you will be fine.
    nice to see someone else is familiar with the facts.
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    Originally Posted by alan aragon View Post
    nice to see someone else is familiar with the facts.
    you think eatting 2000kcal of mayo a day will yield great results?
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    you think eatting 2000kcal of mayo a day will yield great results?
    Ask a more intelligent question and I'll give you an intelligent answer, son.
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    you think eatting 2000kcal of mayo a day will yield great results?
    only if it's organic
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    Ask a more intelligent question and I'll give you an intelligent answer, son.
    its straight forward. If i eat mayo only all day everyday up to 2000kcal as a cut diet. Is "calories in / calories out" still in effect?

    eatting 2000kcal with the best possible foods is going to aid that fat loss and I would imagine one could loose weight at a significantly FASTER rate. The mayo route may biologically work but i bet it would be very very very slow.

    If its all in/ out why even bother addressing macros or insulin spikes or cardio for that matter.
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    Originally Posted by sxgt View Post
    its straight forward. If i eat mayo only all day everyday up to 2000kcal as a cut diet. Is "calories in / calories out" still in effect?

    eatting 2000kcal with the best possible foods is going to aid that fat loss and I would imagine one could loose weight at a significantly FASTER rate. The mayo route may biologically work but i bet it would be very very very slow.

    If its all in/ out why even bother addressing macros or insulin spikes or cardio for that matter.
    Do you know anyone in his right mind who would consume an all-mayo diet? This Q is straight-forward, & I'd like an answer. Thanks.
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    Originally Posted by bmx2962 View Post
    Like will oatmeal and egg whites produce the same effect as oatmeal and whey?
    Yes it will, as it is solely carbs and protein.

    Originally Posted by bmx2962 View Post
    And how much/what kind of fat should be consumed to negate the insulin spike?

    It is listed in the article what kind of fats should be taken in.

    Eat good fats with every meal (except post-workout) - Dietary fat is very important for proper body functioning and hormone production. Most people have an unbalanced view of dietary fat and therefore limit it. Good sources of fat include almonds and almond butter, peanuts and peanut butter, avocado, flax seed and olive oil, and eggs.

    You don't have to consume loads of fat, it just states that it shouldnt always be carbs and protein consumed, that you would need a serving of fat with it.




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    Thats Marc Lobliner's diet in that post. FYI he wrote the article, and with each meal he has a serving of fat.
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    Originally Posted by alan aragon View Post
    Do you know anyone in his right mind who would consume an all-mayo diet? This Q is straight-forward, & I'd like an answer. Thanks.

    its an example to draw attention to poor diets that are still under on kcal levels. I thought you would be smart enough to know what an analogy is. **** NO no one eats 2000kcal of mayo but do you see the point I make? If its ALL calories in / out why do people follow macros or why does the FDA say to get under 65g of fat?
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